Episode 342
Episode 342: We Ask: Would Segregation Have Been Better If White People Had Not Destroyed Black Infrastructure?
I open with a direct question: if white people would not burn or seize Black infrastructure, would segregation be better than integration? We examine that question at length and weigh history, colonization, and the economic and social costs of integration. AG argues that, if left alone, separate Black institutions could thrive and retain wealth, citing enclaves that manage their own commerce. Moby and I question whether white people would ever truly mind their own business and we debate how separation might affect technology, culture, and family life. I also give a personal foot recovery update and we discuss sports and community life to ground the conversation in real experience. We close by inviting listeners to reflect on the trade offs and to join our live show to continue the discussion.
Transcript
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Speaker B:This week on the five minute Warning.
Speaker B:Yeah, no one wills.
Speaker B:We all know what happened, and those kids aren't going to jail.
Speaker B:I just want to put that out there.
Speaker B:The show that gives you everything and nothing at all, that's everywhere you don't want to be.
Speaker B:It's Reuben, Mo B.
Speaker B:And on the ones and twos, AG.
Speaker A:The five minute warning.
Speaker A:Welcome to a brand new episode of five minute Warner always.
Speaker A:It's your man Reuben in the house tonight.
Speaker A:And of course with me always is my cousin AG what's happening, y'?
Speaker A:All?
Speaker B:How you doing?
Speaker A:What's going on?
Speaker A:What's going on?
Speaker A:Moby will be joining us shortly.
Speaker A:And hey, man, how's Blue love?
Speaker B:Much better.
Speaker B:Them nasty kids.
Speaker A:The nasty kids.
Speaker B:Nasty kids.
Speaker A:Hey, man, man, I mean, she better.
Speaker A:She got to be hitting that.
Speaker A:What's it called, that, that, that vitamin C joint emergency, bro.
Speaker B:I don't think anything in a bottle or a syringe will help you against them nasty kids.
Speaker A:I mean, you know, I hear that, you know, but, hey, you know, you got to do the best you can.
Speaker B:I mean, she does the best she can, but, bruh, what.
Speaker A:What age.
Speaker A:What age are those ass kids?
Speaker B:Second grade.
Speaker A:Oh, hell, yeah.
Speaker A:They still picking buckets?
Speaker A:They eating them.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Them kids nasty as.
Speaker A:I mean, amongst other things.
Speaker A:All right, so before we get into the show today, of course we have a couple things happening, but let's talk about what's really going on.
Speaker A:Me.
Speaker A:All right, so haven't had a foot update in a minute.
Speaker A:We're getting close, everybody.
Speaker A:Getting, getting close.
Speaker A:I'm wearing a wound vacuum.
Speaker A:I've been wearing it for a little over a week now.
Speaker A:And you know, the cool thing about the wound vacuum is, like, it gets all the blood out, so the blood just don't sit in the nasty ass wraps and stuff.
Speaker A:Even if you.
Speaker A:Even if you replace them every day, they still nasty because your foot's just sitting in it.
Speaker A:So the wound vacuum takes all that and while it's taking all that blood out, it's healing.
Speaker A:So that's what's going on right now.
Speaker A:The doctor gave me a very positive prognosis last Wednesday.
Speaker A:He said very simply, you look like two or three weeks and you're completely healed.
Speaker A:So between that and doing my infusions for my antibiotics every day for six weeks, I got 14 days left.
Speaker A:Ah, pretty much that just means I can't leave town for extended period of time.
Speaker A:Like, there's no overnights, there's no stuff like that because, I mean, I could adjust my schedule with them to do it, but like Monday through Fridays, they pretty much.
Speaker A:They close at like 4:30 and on the weekends appointment only.
Speaker A:So you.
Speaker A:They trying to get out there asap.
Speaker A:So I ain't about to try to schedule something at 3 o' clock on a Saturday because that's just 100 foul.
Speaker A:So you know, well, those are getting done.
Speaker A:Those are painless, you know, got my little pick line in my left arm.
Speaker A:We getting it done.
Speaker A:So soon, soon, soon this will all be over right in time for the seventh anniversary.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Whoo.
Speaker C:Ah.
Speaker A:So I'm excited for that.
Speaker A:The, the situation that's been going on for a year and a half, a little over a year and a half has a possible end date.
Speaker A:There are lights at the end of that tunnel and all I gotta do is not up.
Speaker A:So we gonna make sure we don't do that.
Speaker A:And Stu, that's the quick foot update.
Speaker A:You know, I'm trying to.
Speaker A:I'm excited to be, to be rocking like Nightcrawler on my, on my left foot soon.
Speaker A:But you know, it is what it is.
Speaker A:I'm, I'm happy and shit.
Speaker A:So we will get that shit done.
Speaker A:I'm excited.
Speaker A:Oh, it's going on.
Speaker A:Moby, what's up?
Speaker A:Hey, man, how you living, brother?
Speaker C:Good, man.
Speaker A:I mean, Raiders 3 and.
Speaker B:Oh man, like I was going to say that.
Speaker B:But we know what kind of reaction we're going to get, so why even say it?
Speaker C:No, man.
Speaker C:Number one in the vision, man.
Speaker B:Wow, he's excited about this.
Speaker C:Negative.
Speaker A:Can he say at this moment, huh?
Speaker A:They 3 0.
Speaker B:I mean, this is mobile talking about.
Speaker B:He will find some negativity, sir.
Speaker A:He can, but you can't.
Speaker B:You can't argue.
Speaker A:You can't argue numbers, man.
Speaker B:I was so excited to get on here when Georgia won the national championship the first time he rained and pissed on my parade, he was completely like, yeah, okay, I saw.
Speaker A:Happened, you know, he thought he was in A dream.
Speaker B:He wasn't.
Speaker A:He wasn't sure.
Speaker B:He was completely sober, sir.
Speaker A:I didn't say he wasn't sober.
Speaker C:No, no, man.
Speaker C:Like, people have different reactions, man.
Speaker C:Like, you get beat up for so long that some people just celebrate the win.
Speaker C:And me, I was just like, man, you know how many years I rooted for them when they were terrible?
Speaker C:Like, I just.
Speaker A:And they had better players.
Speaker C:I'm just like, yo, man, this.
Speaker C:This was just.
Speaker C:I'm still trying to let the balance out.
Speaker C:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker C:Like, yeah, they got this one.
Speaker C:But what I messed up next year.
Speaker B:Reacted the very same way when they.
Speaker B:When they won the national championship.
Speaker B:The same the next year.
Speaker B:What in the world?
Speaker C:No, I was a little bit more.
Speaker C:I was a little bit more into it the next year.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I saw a little bit of tooth.
Speaker B:You smiled.
Speaker C:Okay, so I was a little bit more into it.
Speaker B:But you know what?
Speaker B:I will say that the episode I just did, which was last week, I have.
Speaker B:I have gotten incredible insight on the both of y'.
Speaker B:All.
Speaker B:So I'm giving you a hard time, but I certainly understand you.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker A:So with that being said, I will put this out there.
Speaker A:Last year, The Raiders were 3 and 14.
Speaker A:This year, they're 3 and 0.
Speaker A:It is still possible for them to go into 14 game loser streak.
Speaker A:Not probable, but it is possible.
Speaker B:Why would you even say that?
Speaker A:Because, man, I got to make him feel better.
Speaker B:He's already feeling that.
Speaker C:It don't make me feel any type of way, man.
Speaker A:Like, hey, I mean,.
Speaker B:You know, he just told a full face.
Speaker C:It doesn't make me feel any type of way.
Speaker C:It's like, yo, man, The Raiders are 3 0.
Speaker C:I am happy about that.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker C:I'm also a realist about it, too.
Speaker C:Like, I know who we've played.
Speaker C:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker C:Like, it's not like.
Speaker C:It's not like we play, you know, the best of the best, but, yo, you can only play who you play.
Speaker C:And right now, Captain Kurt out here doing it.
Speaker C:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Like, I mean, you beat the Saints, who beat the.
Speaker A:Who beat the Ravens last?
Speaker C:Once again, I'm.
Speaker C:We three zero, man.
Speaker C:I ain't got no negatives, man.
Speaker C:No negatives.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But I'm also not like, gonna be like, oh, Super Bowl.
Speaker C:Like, nah, I'm not doing that.
Speaker C:Like, right now, I'm enjoying us not being losers at the current moment.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker A:Think about it.
Speaker C:Can that be my enjoyment, Ag.
Speaker C:Like, at the moment, I'm.
Speaker C:I'm Enjoying the fact that we are not losers.
Speaker C:I just, you know, like, yo, I'm like, hey, we're not the Chargers.
Speaker C:And you know what?
Speaker C:I've always held firm to that.
Speaker C:Like, we're not the Chargers.
Speaker A:Hey, also, I mean, while we're gonna talk about very briefly, then we're gonna get into what the.
Speaker A:We're gonna get into, bro.
Speaker A:DeShawn Washington has taken the Browns to two in one.
Speaker B:He looked.
Speaker B:He looked like Houston today.
Speaker B:He looked like DeShawn Watson as a Texan today.
Speaker B:I was impressed.
Speaker B:I didn't see the entire game, but I saw enough highlights to say, well, that's the guy they paid a guaranteed contract to.
Speaker A:I mean, so say to that I'm all kind of rude or I'm a ride on a little bit on some of the negative momentum that Mo B having with his Raiders.
Speaker C:I'm nothing negative yet.
Speaker A:I haven't said in the past, man.
Speaker A:The past.
Speaker B:No, no, you being.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:No, you being a counter puncher right now to your own feelings, because when you first mentioned the Raiders.
Speaker B:When we first mentioned the Raiders, you're allowed.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker B:Your face was like, hype.
Speaker B:And your words were a little hype.
Speaker B:And it was, okay, he's feeling it.
Speaker B:And then you.
Speaker B:You doused on you.
Speaker B:You pissed on your own feelings.
Speaker B:I was like, come on, man.
Speaker C:Three, zero, man.
Speaker B:What?
Speaker C:What?
Speaker C:What?
Speaker C:Can I piss off?
Speaker C:Three and zero, man.
Speaker B:Don't even first place.
Speaker C:And the first thing I said was the first place in the division.
Speaker A:Now that's a tie.
Speaker C:But it's still first place, I think.
Speaker B:See, he can't help himself.
Speaker A:But like I was saying about Cleveland, I mean, look, man, here's the thing.
Speaker A:Cleveland is paying playing with 100% house money because his ass ain't gonna.
Speaker B:But it doesn't matter this year.
Speaker A:This year, man, this year they will go 8 and 9 and miss the playoffs.
Speaker A:And airbags would be like, hey, man, how come you're paying Shador?
Speaker C:You think.
Speaker C:You think they're gonna win eight games this year?
Speaker A:Hey, man, they won too, bro.
Speaker A:Anything can happen.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That's generous, man.
Speaker B:They didn't go 8, 9 last year, did they?
Speaker A:Hell, no.
Speaker A:They went like 2 and whatever.
Speaker B:Then you said it like they've already done it.
Speaker A:I'm just saying, man, they got a shot.
Speaker C:That's why I'm just like, you think they're gonna win eight games?
Speaker B:Listen, I'm living in the moment today.
Speaker B:Deshaun Watson looks like he used to look like today.
Speaker C:I mean, actually, he looked pretty good.
Speaker C:Last week too.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:Because they didn't really play bad, man.
Speaker B:Well, no, I mean, might know what he's doing, man.
Speaker A:Hell no.
Speaker A:Tom Monkin just lucky.
Speaker A:Like, hey, look, man, Deshaun Watts is playing for somebody to pick him as a backup for next year.
Speaker A:Because look, man, Cleveland the.
Speaker A:Cleveland the team, the other pieces.
Speaker A:I mean, for the most part, they got a solid team.
Speaker A:Now there are a couple spots they still need improvement on, but they got a solid team.
Speaker A:They just need somebody to actually put the ball in the air.
Speaker A:Now, with that being said, Jerry Judy is losing money every week.
Speaker A:Cause he ain't touching the ball.
Speaker A:So he losing money every week and.
Speaker B:Well, he stole money for the entirety of his career.
Speaker B:Well, except for a little.
Speaker B:Except for Denver.
Speaker B:He's pretty good in Denver.
Speaker B:But I'm saying, man, it's just like.
Speaker B:Come on now.
Speaker A:I'm just saying.
Speaker A:I hear you, but all I'm saying is Jet.
Speaker A:You know, Judy, man, he.
Speaker A:He earned the money to be on a shitty ass team.
Speaker A:Sometimes you just got to pay, man.
Speaker A:To be honest, you got to get money to be on a shitty ass team.
Speaker A:And this is where I would go back to some of these other shitty ass teams out there.
Speaker A:Like, hey man, people went to Tennessee because they were giving out a ton of money.
Speaker A:And they just.
Speaker A:What it is.
Speaker B:We talk about today.
Speaker B:Deshaun Watson was good.
Speaker B:That's all I'm saying.
Speaker A:Who do they play?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Who did they play exactly?
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:That's a problem.
Speaker B:Just because I forgot because I'm old don't mean I ain't play nobody.
Speaker A:I mean, I guess realistically, everybody.
Speaker C:They play the NFL team, you know,.
Speaker A:I mean, there's that.
Speaker A:Look, man, he did.
Speaker A:He had some good stats.
Speaker A:He played okay.
Speaker A:All I'm saying is that train's gonna fall off eventually.
Speaker A:And to.
Speaker A:To be Mo B.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:He ain't being mob.
Speaker A:Look, man, Captain Kirk be trying to lose that sometime too.
Speaker A:So like, as.
Speaker A:As Stephen A. Smith says, be patient.
Speaker B:I don't really like to hear what Stephen A. Smith had to say.
Speaker A:Be patient.
Speaker A:I mean, the dude went all the way to the Brazil to see the guy.
Speaker A:The Cowboys lose with a 57 yard field goal at the LA at the last second of the game.
Speaker B:Oh, that game was so good, man.
Speaker B:I was like, wow, two man, two seconds left.
Speaker B:They called that time.
Speaker B:And I was like, it's over with.
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker B:Because my wife over there tell me, oh, the game.
Speaker B:I said, no, the game's not over.
Speaker B:And that guy can hit that 56 yards.
Speaker B:He said no, but I thought he was choking.
Speaker B:I said, he might not choke today.
Speaker B:Sure enough.
Speaker B:I was like, yeah, man, that's.
Speaker B:That's a really good game.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker B:And congratulations to you, sir.
Speaker B:Red can be like the, the super bowl champs today.
Speaker A:How about this team you just spoke of?
Speaker A:They are commanders.
Speaker B:I'm sorry, the commanders.
Speaker B:My bad.
Speaker A:Wait a minute.
Speaker B:Is this coming from the guy who doesn't care and made this whole political thing sound like he was a maga?
Speaker B:I know you're not talking to me like that, right?
Speaker B:Go ahead and shut that down, bro.
Speaker A:The name is Commander.
Speaker B:I hear what you're saying, but you ain't gonna talk to me like that.
Speaker B:No, sir.
Speaker A:Talk to you like what?
Speaker B:Like you don't even care about this.
Speaker B:We have this on wax where you don't even care about this and it irritates you when people have an argument about it.
Speaker A:So I know that word.
Speaker B:My Freudian snafu is not gonna be like, really?
Speaker A:I wasn't like jumping around.
Speaker C:He acting brand new, man.
Speaker C:The Commandos won.
Speaker C:It's an unaccustomed.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:Thank you.
Speaker B:I mean, but anyway, sir, congratulations.
Speaker B:The quality,.
Speaker A:Like that's what it is.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker B:So it's.
Speaker B:He's casting dispersions on you that are actually compliments, that's all.
Speaker C:Yeah, basically.
Speaker C:Hey, your team's better than mine.
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Nobody said that.
Speaker B:Hey, what did parcel say?
Speaker B:The record.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:I mean, yeah, that's why he's retired and.
Speaker B:Wow, that's why he's retired.
Speaker A:I'm just saying he could still be coaching.
Speaker C:Like he's like 80.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker A:Yeah, how old is Bill Belichick?
Speaker C:He ain't 80.
Speaker C:Yeah, let's see.
Speaker C:He ain't 80.
Speaker A:Like 77, bro.
Speaker C:Bill Belichick was a youngin to Parcels.
Speaker C:Like Belichick is a Parcels disciple.
Speaker C:Which in itself means one's older than the other.
Speaker A:Hey, man, all I'm saying, hey, but you know, shout out to Bill Belichick, man, he.
Speaker A:He banging some 20 or 6 year old girl.
Speaker C:So why are we shouting that out?
Speaker C:What's successful about that?
Speaker C:Bro, if you, if you had Bill Belichick money dog, you could be banging a 20 something year old too.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:It's not a, it's not an example of excellence, sir.
Speaker B:It's really not.
Speaker B:I mean, is it because he can't bone her enough?
Speaker C:Number one, it's, it's a, it's a mark.
Speaker C:That shows he was financially successful in life.
Speaker B:Sure.
Speaker B:That's the only Upside to that.
Speaker A:And he ain't wiping her ass, which is.
Speaker C:That's his work at this point in time.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:Man, she just.
Speaker A:She's like, I gotta get that.
Speaker A:I gotta get as much money as I can.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:I ain't even mad at her, cuz.
Speaker A:I mean, I ain't mad at her.
Speaker C:Either one of them.
Speaker C:They both feel the arrangement is, I ain't got that many years left, so I'm going to pay for this.
Speaker C:And look, I ain't got to do this for long, cuz.
Speaker C:You won't be here for that much longer.
Speaker A:Yeah, I just need for you to, you know, stop trying to have sex with my team and stuff, and we good.
Speaker B:Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker A:That's what the word on the street is?
Speaker B:Well, we're not talking about a word on the street, actually, let's use the word that y' all taught me to use in public.
Speaker B:On air.
Speaker B:Alleged.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker A:Allegedly.
Speaker B:Or actually, this is less than that.
Speaker B:This is sculpture.
Speaker B:But so let's not cast more.
Speaker A:We gonna stay with allegedly.
Speaker A:So it is what it is.
Speaker A:But let's go ahead and get into the topic of the day now.
Speaker A:So I read this, and I was just like, all right, let's go.
Speaker A:I mean, if.
Speaker A:If we gonna go, we gonna go, and this is it.
Speaker A:We are definitely going with this.
Speaker A:So question of the day is very simple.
Speaker A:Part of me wants to hurting, but I'm not going to.
Speaker A:If white folks would not try to flood or burn down black infrastructure, would segregation be better than integration?
Speaker A:Integration.
Speaker A:Ag.
Speaker B:Well, first of all, what was so scary about the question?
Speaker C:Yeah, I don't know either.
Speaker A:Like, it wasn't scary.
Speaker A:It was just like the term white folks.
Speaker A:We could have said white people, but white folks, what would be the difference?
Speaker A:I mean, it's just.
Speaker A:Hey, man, you could have said the whites.
Speaker C:Like the whites.
Speaker A:The white.
Speaker B:Well, they say the blacks, right?
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:I'm just saying, why we gotta be there?
Speaker C:But if the pale faces.
Speaker A:Jesus.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:Actually, we're not native American.
Speaker B:I don't know if we can get away with pale face.
Speaker A:Nah, just like we can't get away with red skins.
Speaker A:We can't get away with pale face, so.
Speaker A:All right, but back to the question.
Speaker A:Ag.
Speaker B:When I think about it, and again, this is a very.
Speaker B:It's a question that is full of naivete, for sure.
Speaker B:Because we all know we live rent free in people's minds.
Speaker B:And because of that, dangle, let us have nothing nice.
Speaker B:Because if he's too nice, then they get Upset.
Speaker B:And we all know what happens when they get upset.
Speaker B:People die.
Speaker B:Things burn down.
Speaker B:However, in a vacuum, I feel like segregation will be a lot better because we have shown that we can do our own thing within the confines of America, which is.
Speaker B:Has so many limits for brown people, black people, people, black people especially.
Speaker B:But we have shown with all of that involved, we can still thrive if you leave us alone.
Speaker B:Second is, we can have separate but equal, because we can make our own selves equal.
Speaker B:Because, like going back to point number one, we can do things on our own if left to our own devices.
Speaker B:And if you can follow all of that, we can create our own commerce and keep feeding ourselves and keep our own dollar within the system for a month, six weeks, six months, which is crazy, but it can be done.
Speaker B:My, I guess my model is Orthodox Jewish people in one of the boroughs.
Speaker B:I'm gonna go with Brooklyn.
Speaker B:If I'm wrong, please correct me, but they have their own language lives.
Speaker B:They hardly let police police them.
Speaker B:And when I say police, I mean nypd.
Speaker B:They have their own thing.
Speaker B:They do their own thing at every level.
Speaker B:So I'm like, if they, if, if America allows them to do it, well, you know, they don't have the limits that black people have.
Speaker B:But that aside, if America allows them to do that, to be an enclave up in, you know, be an enclave, enclave, you know, in and of itself, people leave them alone.
Speaker B:They do business with different people that don't, you know, worship the same way or look like them.
Speaker B:But you're not going to be here without being Jewish at least.
Speaker B:So I know it can happen, and I don't see why it's not a good thing.
Speaker B:What brought this on was Africa itself.
Speaker B:It's like that place has been being raped forever.
Speaker B:What if Africa was in this vacuum of this question?
Speaker B:The only difference would be it wouldn't be any less resources used.
Speaker B:But Africa would become so wealthy, South Africa wouldn't be all white or, you know, that it's not all white.
Speaker B:They wouldn't be controlled by a white minority.
Speaker B:And it would be the most wealthy continent and subsequently wealthiest countries on the planet because of natural resources.
Speaker B:So with all of that money, just like my example in the United States, if you are creating your own money and you're keeping your money between, inside your community for at least a month, you're on your own now again, you still have, you know, the confines of the law.
Speaker B:This is a vacuum.
Speaker B:But you have the confines of the law, but you are still taking care of yourself.
Speaker B:So if we're doing all that?
Speaker B:I'm not bothering you.
Speaker B:You not bothering me.
Speaker B:We get along.
Speaker B:I buy stuff from you, you buy stuff from me.
Speaker B:Everything is cool.
Speaker B:Why do I have to go to your white school?
Speaker B:Why do you have to go to my black school?
Speaker B:Why should there be busing?
Speaker B:Why should we have to shop with.
Speaker B:Should we have to eat with each other?
Speaker B:Why should we have to, you know, worship with each other or not?
Speaker B:I mean, I don't want to draw a real.
Speaker B:A real dark, you know, deep border between it.
Speaker B:But why not, you know, because I'm saying we can still get along.
Speaker B:But that'll mean I got to be all up under you, and that'll mean you got to be all up under me.
Speaker B:We're both making money.
Speaker B:We're both doing things, you know, politically or civically and all the things.
Speaker B:But when you come to my town, you know, this is what we're doing.
Speaker B:When you want diamonds or you want lithium or you want whatever it is in Africa, you paying.
Speaker B:You're not just coming over there taking over.
Speaker B:You are paying because Africa as a continent and per country that's theirs, you have to pay your way.
Speaker B:So there will be no more colonizing.
Speaker B:So with all that said, if there's no more colonizing, everybody's doing what they do, Whatever, whatever, whatever, then why do we have to force ourselves to be together?
Speaker B:I don't think you have to.
Speaker B:I think that everybody can get along and go.
Speaker B:Go home.
Speaker B:So that.
Speaker B:That's my take on it.
Speaker B:Because I hear so many times, it's like some people, not so many times, but I hear enough where people.
Speaker B:So I decided to question it myself.
Speaker B:I was like, you know what?
Speaker B:If.
Speaker B:If you're not my op and you're not burning my stuff down or drowning me and drowning my whole town or hanging me to, you know, get your point across, to create fear because you're a terrorist, then if we all cool black people can get this done by themselves.
Speaker B:A lot of times we couldn't get it done by ourselves because white America was allowed to literally burn our stuff down for any reason.
Speaker B:Black excellence is an irritant to that demon.
Speaker B:And when I say excellence, I mean, this is like bare minimum.
Speaker B:This is just like, I'm keeping my money in my community for four weeks or more.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker B:I ain't taking over the world.
Speaker B:We're only 13% of the population in this country, but there's only one place you can get some Jordans.
Speaker B:There's only one place you can do this or that.
Speaker B:Or the other.
Speaker B:Especially if it was, you know, created and developed by black people.
Speaker B:There's only one place you can get these things.
Speaker B:You have to come to me and you'll pay whatever I say you're going to pay.
Speaker B:Or you'll go without.
Speaker B:Or you'll have to develop these things yourself.
Speaker B:Especially if you're talking about natural resources in a country full of black people.
Speaker B:So that's kind of my take on it.
Speaker B:I was curious to see what y' all thought.
Speaker A:Moby.
Speaker C:I mean, it was hard for me to even think about the question because I, I cannot wrap my mind around a world in which white people minded their fucking business.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's why I said nabi t. I mean, honestly.
Speaker C:And then just kind of like, what ag saying, like, yeah, natural resource in Africa.
Speaker C:But the problem is if right now, if all of a sudden we just said, hey, we're going to segregate.
Speaker C:Everything's, you know, everything.
Speaker C:Black people, white people, everybody separate.
Speaker C:We don't have the infrastructure right now.
Speaker C:We don't have the amount of resource.
Speaker C:Now we have proven in the past that we can develop, develop it, that we can grow it.
Speaker C:So I, I firmly believe, like, I don't know if it's better for us as a overall society because I, I think I might be a little bit naive in thinking that, like, we actually do take some positives from each other's culture.
Speaker C:But when I really think about it, man, I really don't know what positive we take from my culture.
Speaker C:I really don't.
Speaker C:But I'm sure there is some.
Speaker C:Something.
Speaker C:But the issue is like, as a people, I feel like our community was better when it was separate.
Speaker C:Like the structure of black people, the family dynamic, the community dynamic.
Speaker C:We were all better when it was separate.
Speaker C:But I don't know if that was.
Speaker C:I don't know if that was kind of like football practice in the summertime, like, bad analogy.
Speaker C:But like coaches make two days in the summer workout.
Speaker C:You make it really, really hard.
Speaker C:You make it miserable because you want all the players to hate you as a coach because if they have a common enemy, they get.
Speaker C:They bond.
Speaker C:So I think in many ways we as a culture were better when we had common enemies of the whitey.
Speaker C:When the whitey, when the man was out to get us.
Speaker C:We were better when, when we lost the, when we, when we developed the illusion that that wasn't an enemy anymore.
Speaker C:That's kind of when we stopped being as tight knit and close as a community because we didn't have a common enemy.
Speaker C:So What I was thinking is, man, do you know the type of TV ratings basketball, high school basketball and college basketball get if we were completely separate?
Speaker C:O lakers, Celtics, early 80s all over again, man.
Speaker C:The white men talking about how their fundamentals were gonna win the game and the black coaches being like, hey, you're athletic, dunk on him.
Speaker C:Like different philosophies.
Speaker C:But, but I mean.
Speaker C:So Angie, to answer your question, I don't know if segregation in that utopian way would.
Speaker C:I can see a lot of pluses.
Speaker C:Definitely see a lot of pluses.
Speaker C:But once again, I still don't know if we would have.
Speaker C:I don't know if it would work the same way without it being an enemy involved.
Speaker C:Because I don't know if humans have adapted, have grown to the point where we can all be together and tight knit community without having a common enemy.
Speaker C:I just don't know if we as humans have evolved that much because throughout the course of humanity we've needed a common enemy.
Speaker C:That's the only way we get together.
Speaker C:So like I said in, in theory, can you tell me, I'm like, yeah, man, wouldn't that be cool to just look around and it just be black success all around us and just black dynamics in general.
Speaker C:Because just because we separate don't mean everybody's going to be successful.
Speaker C:Still going to be the same class system, you're still going to have your income, your middle class.
Speaker C:But it would kind of be cool to just be like, yeah, you know what, I'm not worried about whitey.
Speaker A:So when I saw the question, you got scared.
Speaker A:I instantly thought one thing and as I gave it more thought, I thought something else.
Speaker A:And then when I kept giving it more thought, I thought of a third thing.
Speaker A:So I agree with both of you to a point.
Speaker A:I think that first of all, I think everything will be different.
Speaker A:Like when it's all said and done, I think everything will be different.
Speaker A:I guess the biggest thing I would say is I would be more, I would be more worried about how will we be technologically because if, I mean, if we go, if we are, if we going to do this, we going to do this.
Speaker A:If we were never taken from Africa, you know, how would we have evolved, both parties, like the white people and the black people.
Speaker A:So I, I think that part of me wants to sit here and just be like, well, let's just take George Washington Gar.
Speaker A:The man created peanut butter.
Speaker A:All right, cool.
Speaker A:If we were still in Africa, would he have been able to create peanut butter?
Speaker A:Don't know.
Speaker A:You know, I Agree with y' all as far as having an enemy does make you work a little harder.
Speaker A:Because I think it's a fair statement that we could say that the whole Columbia, Columbus, finding America shit is just a story for children.
Speaker A:And that's not really what happened.
Speaker A:I mean, he was drunk, he was looking for India and he found America and then they pillaged.
Speaker C:He found the islands.
Speaker A:He found the islands and he pillaged and all that.
Speaker A:You know, the Native Americans that were here and hey, we have our own country because the poor and disenfranchised who were in England were like, we're sick of being under the thumb of the rich.
Speaker A:So we left England so we could create our own shit.
Speaker A:So then of course we can take a go around and do what.
Speaker A:What they were getting done to them to somebody else.
Speaker A:Because that's what they did.
Speaker A:I worry about things technologically not just for white people, black people, but just the world itself.
Speaker A:I think there is a benefit.
Speaker C:Can I get in a poll?
Speaker C:Because.
Speaker A:Cuz sure.
Speaker C:I'm curious about what you mean technology, cuz like just to go with your example because you're like, you brought up the peanut.
Speaker C:Because that's.
Speaker C:I think that's a matter of resources and like correct environment.
Speaker C:But before, before there was a lot of blending.
Speaker C:Africa was the most technologically advanced.
Speaker C:I mean, we still ain't figured out how they did pyramids.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's real.
Speaker C:We might have actually ourselves back.
Speaker C:And I'm not even talking about us as black people.
Speaker C:I mean just in general, like the world might have been set back by all of the colonization that took place.
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker A:And so that's why, I guess, you know, definitely looking at it that way too.
Speaker A:I do look and see.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker A:Yeah, could that, could we have.
Speaker A:Would it has taken, I guess time, right?
Speaker A:Would we have been quicker with the tech.
Speaker A:Technological advancement or would we have been slower?
Speaker A:I mean, I don't know.
Speaker A:You know, the black Wall street thing obviously is a, is a really big pain center for us as black people because that area was doing very well by itself and a whole bunch of white people got mad and so they basically went and destroyed and killed all those people and destroyed the area and things as such.
Speaker A:So that was definitely super terrible.
Speaker A:Yeah, man.
Speaker A:Like,.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker A:It's hard because we would have to erase all of the history that we know and figure it out.
Speaker A:Because I. I don't know, because part of me is like.
Speaker A:Because one.
Speaker A:And I would say this, I would.
Speaker A:I did not.
Speaker A:That's Probably a question.
Speaker A:I would say more for the parents who live through that time, because, like.
Speaker A:Like my parents, they live through the segregation and that.
Speaker A:That is a really good question.
Speaker A:Hey, you know, did y' all live through the integration of, you know, white and black people in schools?
Speaker C:They lived through wouldn't necessarily be what AG was asking for, because he was asking separation without the threat of the other people destroying your infrastructure.
Speaker C:And that's.
Speaker C:And that's.
Speaker C:They didn't live in that.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker C:They lived with separate operation, knowing that at any point in time, that could be ended.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, I don't know.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker A:It's a little hard for me to.
Speaker A:To completely envision it.
Speaker A:I can't.
Speaker C:I'll be.
Speaker C:I'll be honest.
Speaker C:I just can't see a world in which white people would see black people doing well and be like, that's cool.
Speaker A:Cool, Or.
Speaker A:I mean, the other thing is, if we had never left Africa, would they even know that we would have existed?
Speaker B:No, they would know because they would.
Speaker B:They were the things that.
Speaker B:That we.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Resources.
Speaker B:Because like I said once, I think the biggest thing I. I drew from my own question is that's not in the question is what would the world be like if you took colonization off the table?
Speaker B:So when about being able to, like, Africa being a country and a continent, I should say Africa is not a country.
Speaker B:Africa is a continent, but all the countries doing business with the rest of the world.
Speaker B:Because I'd said, you know, we're not talking about, you know, giving Africa more of their resources back.
Speaker B:We're saying the.
Speaker B:The.
Speaker B:The resources that they're.
Speaker B:They're giving away because they're being forced to.
Speaker B:Because they're being raped.
Speaker B:That doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker B:I'm saying to you from the African standpoint is like, no one can colonize because black people just not gonna let you run roughshod over that.
Speaker B:You gonna have to.
Speaker B:You know, you're gonna have to pay for this.
Speaker B:So technologically speaking, I don't think there would.
Speaker B:Would have been a George Washington Carver, because George Washington Carver, like many black people in this country that have forwarded this country through their inventions, would not exist.
Speaker B:There would be no point for George Washington Carver through environment, because nobody grows peanuts over there, through hardship, which they had plenty of over here, but he wouldn't have there.
Speaker B:That has a lot to do with things.
Speaker B:A lot of times, necessity is the mother of invention.
Speaker B:They say that for a reason.
Speaker B:But at the same time, I'm also saying there would be other things that black people can do and would have done to get us to the same point.
Speaker B:Because the narrative with us, I mean, we spent, you know, better part of, you know, the first 10 minutes of the show talking about football.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:Well, we're not supposed to be smart.
Speaker B:That is the narrative.
Speaker B:Every time they get a chance, that's the narrative.
Speaker B:The other narrative is we don't have dads in the house.
Speaker B:Well, by the numbers, that's not true.
Speaker B:White folks do it much more than we do.
Speaker B:But let's go with the narrative.
Speaker B:The narrative says that we don't have narratives.
Speaker B:We don't have fathers in the house.
Speaker B:Well, like Moby said, in the enclaves that were in existence in the black community, especially, you know, prior to slavery being abolished, black dads were always there.
Speaker B:Not unless they were ill or sick or what have you.
Speaker B:They were always.
Speaker B:Or got, you know, shipped away.
Speaker B:They were always there.
Speaker B:So in that way, our family unit was tighter than it ever been.
Speaker B:No one was going anywhere because everybody understood certain things.
Speaker B:But, you know, again, there's that hardship again, causing people to respond, just like Moby was talking about the 2A days.
Speaker B:This is.
Speaker B:It's the same thing.
Speaker B:So comfort can't hurt you.
Speaker B:But that's not really what we're talking about.
Speaker B:What I'm saying is I'm taking colonization off the table, and I'm saying that there are pockets of reason, resources, around the world, including in America.
Speaker B:Then that is South America, Central America, North America, all of that.
Speaker B:But there is not one place in the world like Africa as a continent that has a concentrated smorgasbord of resources that everybody needs.
Speaker B:Everybody.
Speaker B:So without colonization, where are we?
Speaker B:I think black people would be.
Speaker B:Would have the advantage seven days out of seven.
Speaker B:And because of that, we would kind of dominate but mind our own business.
Speaker B:I'm not saying you can't go to Europe.
Speaker B:I'm not saying you can't come to America.
Speaker B:I'm not saying you can't go to Canada.
Speaker B:I'm not saying any of that.
Speaker B:What I'm saying is everything is set up for all the black people, if we're talking about it, all the black.
Speaker B:Black people to defend themselves if need be.
Speaker B:But really, white folks don't have the advantage of being able to steal and rape anymore.
Speaker B:That's a big part of this.
Speaker B:So because of that, a lot of things that happen would be so much better for us yet again, because now you bring the family unit into it.
Speaker B:You bring research and development into it, all the things.
Speaker B:And sure, we can share ideas, but it won't be lost in the sauce.
Speaker B:And some white guy that gets the.
Speaker B:Gets the credit for having done something he didn't do.
Speaker B:And that's the other.
Speaker B:That's the other thing out there.
Speaker B:That's not a narrative because they try to squash it.
Speaker B:Our school system is a great example of that, where they can just say, well, that makes me feel uncomfortable.
Speaker B:Well, I don't want people knowing that this actually happened, so let's not write about it.
Speaker B:Well, in 25 years, it didn't exist.
Speaker B:All I got to do.
Speaker B:So if all those things don't matter, then how could black people not be better off?
Speaker B:Because we are integrated into a system that didn't even belong to us.
Speaker B:We're integrated into a system that was developed by our op.
Speaker B:How could we possibly win at any, any point in time, for any amount of time?
Speaker B:Because like you were saying about Tulsa, they could just roll in and burn it down for whatever simple, petty reason.
Speaker A:So I don't know enough.
Speaker A:I don't know a lot about the continent of Africa.
Speaker A:I guess my first question is going to be, did the white people move to South Africa to colonize that part of Africa, or were they already living there?
Speaker A:Or how did they.
Speaker A:That work?
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:I do have that question because I don't know, like.
Speaker A:Because if we're talking that.
Speaker A:If we're talking that the paper for England never came and got us, my question then is, how did the white people get to South Africa?
Speaker A:Did they come and just move there themselves to get away and just happen to pretty much on a much lower level, do the same thing there?
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:That's kind of being done over here.
Speaker A:Were they there?
Speaker A:Like, that's, it's that.
Speaker A:I guess for me, it gets into stuff like that because then I, I, yeah, it's just hard.
Speaker A:It's hard to see a world that it didn't happen.
Speaker A:And then the only thing that I think of, which is just I'm not sure what it is.
Speaker A:I think of the fictional city of Wakanda and I'm just like.
Speaker A:Because my thought is some people automatically think, oh, we would be Wakanda.
Speaker B:I mean, I don't know.
Speaker C:I mean, there's a possibility that they're.
Speaker A:Not at all that.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:So, I mean.
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker C:And I mean, they got to South Africa the same way white people got everywhere, colonization.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker C:They, they just showed up.
Speaker C:It said, we here.
Speaker B:Usually, if you really want to know the answer, you follow the resources or Follow the money.
Speaker B:Yeah, if you can.
Speaker B:If you.
Speaker B:If you take the time to follow the resources or the money, and usually they're married to each other.
Speaker B:You will find out because think about it.
Speaker B:Why would you.
Speaker B:Why would you spend the kind of resources it takes to have an army to go and then all the things it takes to develop what you think you found if there's nothing to develop.
Speaker B:Africa is chock full of everything everybody needs.
Speaker B:It's the Garden of Eden.
Speaker C:It started with exploration.
Speaker C:You know, somebody goes out, finds it.
Speaker C:And then it probably starts off with, hey, y' all got some cool, let's trade.
Speaker C:Let's trade.
Speaker C:And then that trade turns into, you know what?
Speaker C:We're tired of giving up our.
Speaker C:How about we just take yours.
Speaker B:Pretty much.
Speaker B:I didn't ever.
Speaker B:I don't even know if it was that gentlemanly, honestly.
Speaker C:Well, no know, but.
Speaker C:But he used the term Columbus.
Speaker C:Like, why was Columbus actually going out?
Speaker C:Yeah, he was looking for another passage to India because they were a trade partner.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And then when he got here and was like, hey, this is India.
Speaker C:But y' all got some cool here.
Speaker C:Y' all got some.
Speaker C:Y' all got some land.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like help us out, help us survive a little bit.
Speaker C:And you know what we learned?
Speaker A:We take that.
Speaker C:Did y'?
Speaker A:All.
Speaker C:We didn't.
Speaker C:We don't recognize Yalls claim to this land.
Speaker C:It's ours now.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:Again, if you have your own resources and you develop your own military and people, they show up, they're different.
Speaker B:They don't look like you, they don't speak like you.
Speaker B:And they say what Moby says and you slit their throats right away.
Speaker B:You don't have a problem because no one ever comes back.
Speaker B:And so they leave you alone.
Speaker B:And you keep developing your army, you keep developing your military and people understand.
Speaker B:So look, I'm not going to mess with you.
Speaker B:But you don't want to start now.
Speaker B:You can't finish.
Speaker B:And when's the last time you rolled up on somebody 6, 7, 300 pounds and started talking foolishness?
Speaker B:Like, never.
Speaker B:I mean, don't get me wrong, if you're really intentional about something, you can get some stuff done.
Speaker B:But you ain't just going to like willy nilly walk up on somebody that's bigger and better than you, stronger and faster than you.
Speaker A:Definitely not empty handed.
Speaker B:But now we're talking about people that have the same.
Speaker B:Same stuff you got and probably better.
Speaker B:Like I said, bro, when you take out colonization, things change.
Speaker B:It doesn't matter how they got there, everything changes.
Speaker B:Because you took.
Speaker B:Because think about.
Speaker B:Think about South Africa in particular.
Speaker B:They are ruled by a white minority, and it's always been that way.
Speaker B:And they had it on lockdown.
Speaker B:The only reason is.
Speaker B:The only reason it's not like that now, I really do feel like, is because the rest of the world found out.
Speaker B:This has been going on forever.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then all of a sudden, you know, everybody finds out and things start to change.
Speaker B:Bruh.
Speaker B:Follow the money, follow the resources.
Speaker B:But if you take colonization away, and that's kind of what the question is.
Speaker B:That is part of the.
Speaker B:The question that it kind of alludes to.
Speaker B:Because now you can't burn down my stuff for whatever reason.
Speaker B:You can't just walk up in here and just take stuff.
Speaker B:How does.
Speaker B:How was segregation.
Speaker B:How was, you know, in integration better?
Speaker B:Because Brown vs.
Speaker B:The Board of Education was just that, separate but equal.
Speaker B:But they would never have to do equal.
Speaker B:That's why we always got the crap books, the crap schools, all of that.
Speaker B:That's how that happened.
Speaker B:They put it in policy again.
Speaker B:We are being integrated into a system that was built to keep us down.
Speaker B:This wasn't fair play from jump street.
Speaker B:So if you took away all of that, even the American version of colonization, which is policy, if you took away all that and made it equal, separate but equal, like I said before, we're still America.
Speaker B:We can, like, go here and there and get along or whatever it is.
Speaker B: But, you know, the: Speaker B:Just like I said about that Jewish community in Brooklyn, it really is an enclave of Jewish people, Orthodox Jewish people, and they get down in a certain way and people leave them alone.
Speaker B:And that's what white America has never been able to do with black America.
Speaker B:But then they turn around and create a narrative like we won't ever do nothing really is that we're doing.
Speaker B:That's exactly what the playbook is, and it's been effective.
Speaker B:Just like I said about black fathers, black fathers, by the numbers, are there more than white fathers are.
Speaker B:But they're not labeled that way.
Speaker B:So we think they're all there.
Speaker B:No, they're not there.
Speaker C:So for the most part, every.
Speaker C:Most communities and are left alone.
Speaker C:Except for black communities.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:Well, I can't really say that because when you said India, when Mo was talking about India.
Speaker B:Yeah, that was.
Speaker B:That was under the rule of the United Kingdom also.
Speaker B:England took a lot of stuff, bro.
Speaker B:They were everywhere.
Speaker B:Everywhere.
Speaker B:But he's right, though, what he was gonna say.
Speaker B:He was.
Speaker B:He's Right, Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, look in, in our country right now, you've got Mormon communities that, you know, nobody go, nobody messes them.
Speaker C:Like all the major cities have some form of a Chinatown.
Speaker C:Don't nobody mess with them.
Speaker B:They will let you buy their services and products all day long.
Speaker B:But that is Chinatown.
Speaker B:I mean, to the point where they took over Little Italy.
Speaker B:Don't go to sleep.
Speaker B:Ancient Chinese secret, baby.
Speaker B:Hey, but that's just for them.
Speaker B:But for black people, it's entirely different.
Speaker C:When, when we have a community of success, it's.
Speaker C:It's seen as a threat 100%.
Speaker C:I mean, shoot, I got a shopping center across the street from me right now, man, where the only, pretty much only two non Spanish speaking business in the shopping center is food line and a laundry mat.
Speaker C:Everything else is some form of Hispanic.
Speaker C:And, and it.
Speaker C:Nobody, I mean, like Ag said, everybody's welcome to go there.
Speaker C:You, you can go there, you can get good from them.
Speaker C:But it's understood that every business you go into, they're speaking Spanish.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, it went down definitely be.
Speaker A:I think the fair thing is it'd definitely be different.
Speaker A:I do see where it would be different.
Speaker A:Definitely toward us.
Speaker A:I, I think it, I think part of it would be positive.
Speaker A:I mean, I don't know.
Speaker A:Like, I.
Speaker A:It's just hard, it's hard to envision.
Speaker C:That because I think it's interesting that all three of us have kind of shown, shown how we've been almost programmed.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because all of us have said, oh yeah, you know, I could definitely see some positives, but none of us can really point out any negatives.
Speaker C:But the fact that we've been programmed to believe that we're supposed to be integrated.
Speaker C:It's like we want to say there's got to be something negative about it.
Speaker C:Like we can't think of what it is right now, but it's got to be something negative.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, I mean, really, the, the only thing.
Speaker A:Well, not the only thing.
Speaker A:I guess the first thing I think of as far as being negative is just.
Speaker A:I think, I think the way, I think the way we think would be very different.
Speaker C:Is that a negative though?
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker A:I mean, but I don't know, man.
Speaker A:It's just like.
Speaker C:Yeah, like I said, I'm just curious.
Speaker C:Can any of us think of like, like something that we're just like, oh.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's a negative about integration or segregation.
Speaker C:Segregate this utopian segregation that you described.
Speaker C:Can any of us think of anything negative about it?
Speaker A:The only Thing negative I could think about is just, you know, not integrating with other cultures.
Speaker A:Cultures.
Speaker C:But he didn't say that.
Speaker B:He said you can come and go as you please.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But I guess what I'm saying is we may not be here in America.
Speaker A:We may be in Africa.
Speaker A:And yes, we could fly and go as we please, but I mean, it's just, you know, we've spent all of our life here, so it's like there's been some sort of forced.
Speaker A:Like you just got to deal with different people.
Speaker A:Whereas, like, if we were all still in Africa, technically, we necessarily would not unless we ventured outside of Africa.
Speaker C:But here's the thing.
Speaker C:Every culture, like, before we can.
Speaker C:We think of colonization.
Speaker C:And that's like the only colonization.
Speaker C:I guess it's been going on forever, but it's still kind of recent at the same time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because before then, other cultures had trade agreements, they had partnerships.
Speaker A:They.
Speaker C:There was an exchange of goods.
Speaker C:So you're like, we wouldn't have to deal with each other.
Speaker B:No, I think.
Speaker C:I think we kind of would still deal with each other about some things that now if you're like, hey, you would have to hang out with them every day.
Speaker C:No know, but like, there would be cultural exchanges still because there's so many people on this planet, like, we're gonna eventually want to exchange certain ideas and.
Speaker C:And goods.
Speaker C:So I. I think there still would be intermingling.
Speaker C:It just wouldn't be kind of forced.
Speaker C:Yeah, it would be productive mingling.
Speaker B:And to piggyback on what he said, a lot of what I.
Speaker B:What I'm saying is, especially when you talk about Africa, we wouldn't be raped for what we produce.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, because you think about all the.
Speaker C:The natural resources that our.
Speaker C:Our planet runs off of or.
Speaker C:Got it.
Speaker C:All the.
Speaker C:All the natural minerals and stuff.
Speaker C:Got it.
Speaker C:So much stuff that we use and.
Speaker C:And some of the medicines and stuff are all from boards.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:Yeah, they got all of it.
Speaker A:I. I guess, you know, if.
Speaker A:If I'm gonna take it left, I'm gonna take it left.
Speaker A:You know, let's just talk about the Nazi regime.
Speaker A:The chance is they would be way bigger than they are.
Speaker A:Were at that time.
Speaker B:They couldn't compete against Africa.
Speaker A:No, no, I'm not saying they could, but I'm just saying that they could just be.
Speaker A:The possibility is they could be just way bigger.
Speaker C:Because, Reuben, the Nazi regime was built on basically the principles of colonization, which AG Just said, what if colonization was not on the board because the Nazis weren't The Nazis Weren't just like, hey, we want to stay here and keep all this stuff to ourselves.
Speaker C:It was like, no, we want to get rid of everything and expand this to everything.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's colonization.
Speaker C:So if you take that off the board, the Nazi regime, does it really exist?
Speaker A:And I guess.
Speaker A:I guess when it's all said and done, I guess that's where I'm having a problem.
Speaker A:Because I don't know if you could completely take that off the board.
Speaker A:It'd be super difficult.
Speaker A:Why to take colonization off the board.
Speaker B:If you can defend yourself to the nth degree.
Speaker B:Because again, Africa's a continent based on 100 or so countries.
Speaker C:And it was like 54 countries.
Speaker B:Okay, yeah, 54 countries.
Speaker B:So if 54 countries have a standard military, who can beat that?
Speaker B:Europe is really small and Europe has done most of the colonization or all of it.
Speaker B:So it's just like how you.
Speaker B:How you supposed to.
Speaker A:But I guess what I'm saying is eventually the land that we now call the United States, something's got to happen with that.
Speaker C:Why here?
Speaker C:There were Native Americans here, they would still be here.
Speaker B:And they doing.
Speaker B:Because they.
Speaker B:Because, I mean, Europe.
Speaker B:Europe stole that from them.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker B:They stole it.
Speaker A:No, I understand that.
Speaker A:I understand that.
Speaker A:I'm not disagreeing.
Speaker A:I understand it.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:Okay, I guess it's just hard for me to think of a world without colonization.
Speaker C:And that's exactly what I was saying.
Speaker C:It's like we've almost been programmed to think that colonization is just a norm.
Speaker B:Because it is.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Shouldn't be so answering this.
Speaker B:Maybe this can help you.
Speaker B:What is it that's giving you such a hard time being abstract?
Speaker B:Because this question is super abstract.
Speaker B:What's giving you a hard time about it?
Speaker A:Well, I mean, I think that.
Speaker A:I think I just said that because we have to think of a world that something major doesn't exist.
Speaker A:And it's hard for me to wrap my mind.
Speaker A:Mind around something like that not existing.
Speaker A:And I'm not saying that you could be completely right.
Speaker A:Like without colonization, everything is everything.
Speaker A:I just think that it's so hard to think of a world without colonization simply because for, I mean, hundred hundreds of years, that's what we know.
Speaker C:So, like, there'd be a whole lot of cultures.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's just because there's so many.
Speaker C:Cultures that we don't even know about because they were just literally erased.
Speaker B:Erased.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah, It'd be just so.
Speaker A:It's so different.
Speaker A:I can't.
Speaker A:I can't wrap My head around.
Speaker A:My head around it.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:And that's fair.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's really.
Speaker A:For me, that's what it is.
Speaker A:Because every time I think I can, then I think about something else.
Speaker A:I was like, damn it.
Speaker A:Like, so it's like.
Speaker A:I mean, whether it's programmed or whether it's just history, like, it's really hard to defeat your knowledge of history and just say none of that happened.
Speaker A:So then literally, it's literally a blank slate.
Speaker A:The big bang.
Speaker A:And it's like, I mean, let your imagination go wild because literally everything that we have done from before me to after me is built on colonization.
Speaker A:And it's just.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker A:That's just.
Speaker A:For me, that's.
Speaker A:It's just mentally hard to get to that point because I think of.
Speaker A:I think of us being either guessed Wakanda or Idiocracy.
Speaker A:Like, that's the movie Idiocracy.
Speaker B:No, no.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:I'm curious why we would be that low on the total.
Speaker B:Like, that's, That's.
Speaker B:I mean, those are.
Speaker A:Those are the two levels.
Speaker B:Like, oh, okay.
Speaker A:For me, it's like, that's.
Speaker A:That's all I can imagine.
Speaker A:It's hard to imagine.
Speaker A:It's hard to imagine a positive utopia because from what I understand, most utopias are not positive all the way.
Speaker A:And so it's just like, even though, oh, yeah, there's no this and no that, there's always something that threatens that.
Speaker A:And it's just.
Speaker A:Yeah, I just can't wrap my mind around it.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:For me, that's just what it is.
Speaker A:I think it's a great question, but I feel like I defeat myself every time I try to envision it.
Speaker A:You know, KB Yako kicks in.
Speaker A:I think it would be different, but the same human beings.
Speaker A:Nature is to seek conflict instead of harmony.
Speaker A:Yeah, true.
Speaker B:Now, we did address that, actually.
Speaker C:No, addressed that.
Speaker B:He already said it'd still be the same percentage is the same level of all the things.
Speaker B:But I wasn't really talking about that as much as I was talking about I'm addressing the narrative of we can't do anything.
Speaker B:And I'm addressing the narrative of integration being better because I was challenged.
Speaker B:And when I really thought about it, I was like, would it be better?
Speaker B:Or I shouldn't say, would it be.
Speaker B:Is it better?
Speaker B:And when I thought about it, it's not necessarily better because there are so many examples of integration being terrible for black people.
Speaker B:And again, the biggest thing is with integration, we're being Integrated into a system that doesn't want us to win.
Speaker B:And when I say win, I mean just ex.
Speaker C:Our integration makes everybody else, makes every other culture better, but it hurts ours, so.
Speaker C:Because everything gets stolen from us.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker B:I mean, the south wouldn't be the same without us in every way.
Speaker B:So like I said, man, it's like.
Speaker B:I understand what you mean, but for me, like I said, for me, when I really, really challenge integration and not just feed into it, because that's all ever new, it's not necessarily a good thing.
Speaker B:It's just not.
Speaker B:Because we have done so much and gotten so little in return, but everybody else has benefited, and that's policy, from civil rights all the way down to food.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so I'm like, since that's the case, wouldn't it be better if we were just like.
Speaker B:You know, we were doing our own thing and people just left us alone?
Speaker B:I'm just saying.
Speaker B:So it must be something good that we're doing because people steal it all the time.
Speaker B:And don't get me wrong, I ain't mad.
Speaker B:I'm not mad because a lot of people want to get mad at rappers that don't look like us.
Speaker B:I get that.
Speaker B:And everything that fits into that mold.
Speaker B:But the idea that you erase work you got it from bothers me.
Speaker B:So if you.
Speaker B:If you can't do that and you have to come to me to get everything that you need from me that I can offer you, and you can't just take it and say it was yours, I think we would benefit.
Speaker A:Well, I think we could.
Speaker A:I guess.
Speaker A:The other thing that's on my mind is there's a cause and effect.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:I think there will always be some sort of.
Speaker A:You know, it's.
Speaker A:It's like good and bad.
Speaker A:It's like right or wrong.
Speaker C:And that's what I was saying earlier.
Speaker C:I'm just like, yo, I feel like you're trying to find the negative.
Speaker C:But the thing is, I don't think you can actually say what the negative is.
Speaker A:Well.
Speaker A:Because you never know until it hits you.
Speaker B:But I haven't experienced all the negatives in integration.
Speaker B:So what?
Speaker C:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker C:So I don't know.
Speaker A:I think.
Speaker A:Think.
Speaker C:I think.
Speaker C:I think Reuben, in many ways is like, I get it.
Speaker C:That cause and effect.
Speaker C:And you're like, hey, if this happens, it has to affect something else.
Speaker A:Correct.
Speaker C:But that's.
Speaker C:But what I'm saying is I feel like we've been so programmed that we assume that there has to be a negative consequence to this.
Speaker C:But as we sit here and think about it, in this utopian segregation, we can't really put into words what the negative one would be.
Speaker C:We're just like, hey, we.
Speaker C:I'm pretty sure there's got to be a negative.
Speaker C:I, I don't know what it is, but exactly that.
Speaker A:That's all.
Speaker C:So, so is there a negative?
Speaker C:Or are we just so programmed to believe that integration is what's best for us?
Speaker C:That we're like trying to convince ourselves?
Speaker A:I think that's probably part of it.
Speaker A:But also, you know, once again, there's always a, there's always a positive to a negative and a negative to a positive.
Speaker A:We just don't know what that would be.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:And yeah, I guess my brain is like, all right, this sounds really good, but what's going to come back and kick us in the ass?
Speaker C:I mean, the only negative outcome I could think of, like if this colonization thing was never on the board, it really wouldn't be a lot of light skinned people out here.
Speaker A:That's true.
Speaker B:And it would be much easier for us to have a street like Moby has of not dating a white girl.
Speaker C:Much easier.
Speaker B:Much easier.
Speaker B:I mean, yeah, because you're standing.
Speaker B:That's one of the things.
Speaker B:And see, this is not a negative.
Speaker B:Here's another positive.
Speaker B:A lot of, I'm telling you, a lot of the reason could be that black men date white women half the time is because standard of beauty is so different.
Speaker B:If you grew up in the suburbs, your standard of beauty is not, it's, it's askew.
Speaker B:And so if you, if you're surrounded by all levels of beauty that are all black, you stand a pretty good chance of never dating a white girl.
Speaker B:That's for sure.
Speaker A:But I mean, if everybody's the same.
Speaker B:Color again, we, even if everybody's the same color, there's still levels of beauty.
Speaker B:But all of that beauty is based on certain characteristics, characteristics that we all have.
Speaker C:Like I said, it's also physical characteristics, man.
Speaker C:That's true.
Speaker C:Like a lot of physical characteristics have been, have been blended.
Speaker C:We're seeing a lot of anomalies.
Speaker C:Like, you know, about 40, 50 years ago, you ain't see a whole bunch of white chicks with fat asses like just that.
Speaker B:Well, they're plastic though.
Speaker A:Not all of them.
Speaker C:Thank you, Ruben.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker B:Okay, as long as we understand about plastic booties.
Speaker A:But yes, some of them work hard at it.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker A:We ain't talking about bbls and, and.
Speaker C:Some of them have just enough pigmentations.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:DNA.
Speaker C:Or just the taste of it.
Speaker A:Or they're entertaining because once again, it always goes back to, hey, man, you don't like us, but you want to be our color.
Speaker A:That's weird.
Speaker B:Well, see, now we're.
Speaker B:Well, is it weird, though, because you're having problems settling with my question.
Speaker B:But is it weird because that's kind of what we're talking about.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:What you just said is kind of what we're talking about.
Speaker C:Exact.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:But you're having a hard time and it's like two, I guess, two things to be true at the same time, as we say on the show.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So again, like I said, bro, it's.
Speaker A:Not a good question.
Speaker B:I don't want to.
Speaker B:I don't want to make this a utopia because that's not what I'm trying to say.
Speaker B:However, the utopian part does come into the part of the question where it says, if white folks don't burn our stuff down because we know that's coming.
Speaker C:Yeah, that's, that's, that's why I keep saying utopian.
Speaker B:I understand.
Speaker B:I'm just letting y' all know I didn't mean to make it utopian because within the black community will always be the same.
Speaker B:Because every community has the same issues.
Speaker B:Every community has the same issue.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker B:But I think that's.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think if that's not a.
Speaker A:That part of it is not a play, then I still don't know how different this conversation would be for me anyway.
Speaker A:But I don't know how it might be different for y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:I don't know how different it would be for me.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:When you say different, what do you mean?
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:I'm lost on that.
Speaker A:Just so, just my answer, like.
Speaker A:Cuz I'm looking at.
Speaker A:I'm looking at it differently.
Speaker A:Sports, that's what I do.
Speaker B:Sports would be super.
Speaker C:That's what I said, man.
Speaker C:The sports part, man.
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker B:I mean, it would be Alabama, usc in the 70s, like every Sunday.
Speaker A:What do you mean?
Speaker A:It wouldn't be no Alabama.
Speaker A:They wouldn't exist.
Speaker B:Yeah, it would, because Alabama is a.
Speaker B:Is a school that would exist.
Speaker B:But the Gramblings, or I shouldn't say it wouldn't be USC handing their lunch.
Speaker B:It would be Grambling handling their lunch, like every.
Speaker B:Every weekend.
Speaker C:And, and that's even if they played each other.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker C:Because they might make it separate all the way around.
Speaker C:Like, you got your black champions, you got your white champions.
Speaker A:Well, because we did have a black baseball thing for A hot minute.
Speaker C:And that's why I said that's even if they.
Speaker C:They even played each other.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:For a hot minute.
Speaker A:Like cuz baseball became integrated in.
Speaker A:What was it, the 50s?
Speaker A:50S.
Speaker A:I think something like that.
Speaker A:Cuz Jackie Robinson was like the second one.
Speaker C:60S?
Speaker B:No, it wasn't the 60s.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker A:Cuz Jackie Robinson was the second black player to play in the league.
Speaker B:Well, so.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Nah, it's a good question.
Speaker A:And it brought up good conversation.
Speaker A:So good job.
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Speaker C:I mean, Jackie Robinson second.
Speaker C:I mean that, that's.
Speaker C:That's if you don't believe some of the rumors that Babe Ruth was actually.
Speaker A:Oh, Jesus.
Speaker C:Just saying,.
Speaker A:If I'm correct.
Speaker A:Babe Ruth.
Speaker A:Even though Babe Ruth.
Speaker A:Babe.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:I can't remember the person's name, but it was another black player before Jackie Robinson.
Speaker A:He just wasn't.
Speaker A:He just wasn't as good.
Speaker A:But what I. Jackie Robinson.
Speaker B:But what Mo is saying.
Speaker C:Well, no, it.
Speaker C:It was a long time before Jackie Robinson.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I just felt like he played a couple seasons.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:If Babe Ruth was proven to be black in any way, they would burn down the mlp.
Speaker A:Stop it.
Speaker B:They would find a reason to put an asterisk by everything.
Speaker A:Boston would blow up.
Speaker A:They would blow themselves up.
Speaker A:The Red Sox would quit.
Speaker A:They would be over.
Speaker B:Oh, look, KO now that you say it, y' all seen Bay r nose?
Speaker A:Y' all stop.
Speaker C:Hey, man, like I said, man, I. I don't just pull that up my ass like, you know, saying for a long time.
Speaker B:I've been hearing that for the last five years.
Speaker A:Good day to have.
Speaker A:It's a good day to have color cam.
Speaker A:Color cameras back then, boy.
Speaker B:I mean, come on, man.
Speaker C:Come on, man.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:How did we just shift from that to that?
Speaker B:Because it's the same thing.
Speaker C:It's kind of the same thing.
Speaker B:We're not off topic.
Speaker B:We're really not.
Speaker A:No, I didn't say we were, but it's like, wow, we just did that.
Speaker A:With that being said, what's on your mind?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:No one wills.
Speaker B:We all know what happened, and those kids aren't going to jail.
Speaker B:I just want to put that out there.
Speaker B:I don't care care what they find.
Speaker B:I don't care what doesn't make sense.
Speaker B:Because we all know what makes sense.
Speaker B:And all of this makes sense so far.
Speaker B:Those kids are never going to jail.
Speaker B:If they do, I'd be shocked and amazed.
Speaker C:So they won't go to jail for this.
Speaker C:I mean, if they go to jail, it'd be for something completely separate.
Speaker B:Yeah, but it won't be this.
Speaker B:You're right.
Speaker B:True enough.
Speaker B:There won't be that.
Speaker B:So that's what's on my mind, plain and simple.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:KBIAKO said you heard it here first.
Speaker A:Babe Ruth was passing back then.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, you didn't hear it here first.
Speaker C:People have been saying that for a long time.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker C:Your boy Mo didn't just say that for the first time.
Speaker C:I have heard that speculated before for a long time.
Speaker A:I mean, I guess we'll never know.
Speaker B:Oh, we know.
Speaker B:Just like Noah Wells.
Speaker B:We know.
Speaker A:All right, Moby, what's on your mind, man?
Speaker C:I was.
Speaker C:I was too close to the enemy today.
Speaker C:So today my daughter was asked to play an AAU tournament today.
Speaker C:They just called her last minute.
Speaker C:Ask her did she want to play.
Speaker C:So, you know, she.
Speaker C:We go up to school and you.
Speaker C:Basketball world tournament.
Speaker C:She gets to play with a couple people that she.
Speaker C:She's worked out with and stuff.
Speaker C:But, you know, being in the stands and being by the enemy.
Speaker C:And by enemy, I mean the parents of youth sports, like, they are the enemy.
Speaker A:The.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:The kids ain't the problem.
Speaker C:Hell, not even the AAU coaches are all the problem.
Speaker C:The refs ain't the problem.
Speaker C:It's goddamn grandparents.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's the parents.
Speaker C:I'm listening to.
Speaker C:Irrational, dumb, ignorant, Wrong, stupid.
Speaker C:Like I already said ignorant.
Speaker C:But I'm gonna say it again because ignorant.
Speaker A:Don't you mean ignorant?
Speaker C:That too.
Speaker C:I'm mean they.
Speaker C:They so.
Speaker C:And I want to talk to them, like.
Speaker C:Because I'm not used to, like, really being in the stands right by them.
Speaker C:Like, it's different when you, when I'm coaching or I'm.
Speaker C:Because like I can really kind of block it out or I can kind of laugh at it because I'm just like, man, yeah, but being right in the thick of it because I'm seeing refs and coaches look in our general direction and I gotta be like, I feel, I'm feeling guilty.
Speaker C:I'm like, hey, it ain't me, bro.
Speaker C:I probably with you.
Speaker C:Look, hey, look, I'm not saying they get mad at kids and when I say getting mad at kids, not even mad at kids that are playing in the game.
Speaker C:The AU tournaments are, it's a money grab.
Speaker C:But they have scorekeepers are usually other teenagers.
Speaker C:So the people who do on the scoreboard, just 16, 17 year old kids just there like caring cadence.
Speaker C:My daughters do it on the weekends.
Speaker C:Sometimes they'll go volunteer up there, get volunteer hours.
Speaker C:They just run the score thing.
Speaker C:But the parents are getting mad at them because they put the two points on the wrong column and they're like, you trying to cheat the kids.
Speaker C:And I'm like, excuse me ma', am, that 16 year old kid don't know your kid, two don't give a about your kid.
Speaker C:And three, the school.
Speaker C:I know parents don't know this, but the scoreboard doesn't actually matter.
Speaker C:The only thing that matters in a basketball game is the official score book.
Speaker C:So as long as the people keeping the score book have it right, it doesn't matter.
Speaker C:Any point in time the referee can look at the book and say, hey, what's the score in the book?
Speaker C:Okay, we need to fix the score.
Speaker C:But, but yo, this lady damn near ran out on the court to yell at the people on the score key because they didn't put two points on the scoreboard.
Speaker C:She's like, you had all time out to put it up there.
Speaker C:And the referee was literally looking at the book and she's like yelling in his face as he's trying to get the adjustment.
Speaker C:I'm just like, y' all is the enemy.
Speaker C:And then, and then I'm just like, yo, who is your kid, cuz?
Speaker C:I want to hug your kid and just be like, I'm sorry, you ain't got a chance in hell.
Speaker C:Being successful in life, you just, you just don't like, like because, because in matter of fact, and if you, you are successful, like you basically won 100 yard dash with angel anchor on your back and the anchor is your mama.
Speaker A:You won in spite of.
Speaker C:Yeah, you won in spite of.
Speaker C:You know, your ops is your Family.
Speaker C:Like, I know they say keep your enemies close, but I mean they ain't got to be attached to your DNA.
Speaker C:I mean it's, it's, it's mind boggling listening to these parents who, if you ask them like not in the moment because in the moment they're just dumb asses, but if you ask them later on they will be like, well, I'm supporting my kid and blah, blah, blah.
Speaker C:I'm like, no, but you're not supporting your kid.
Speaker C:You're supporting ignorance, you're supporting stupidity.
Speaker C:You're, you're supporting like there's a reason your kid probably likes playing basketball so much because that's time.
Speaker C:They ain't got to be with your dumbass.
Speaker C:I mean, I mean, look man, I've coached a lot of kids who, I'm just like, yo, why are you doing all these, these activities?
Speaker C:And I know that look, that, that's the.
Speaker C:I just don't want to go home, coach.
Speaker C:Like, hey man, I, I do whatever the you say as long as I ain't gotta go home.
Speaker A:Those crazy ass people.
Speaker C:And, and I just wish, because look, I say all these things about the enemy because I do believe in their heart they think they're doing the right thing.
Speaker C:They think they're being supportive, they think what they're doing is helping.
Speaker C:And I'm just like, it's not.
Speaker C:It is.
Speaker C:I promise you it's not.
Speaker C:And I don't get as mad.
Speaker C:And this, this probably sounds slightly sexy.
Speaker C:I don't get as mad at some of the dads that be yelling in the stands and be given the unsolicited coaching advice from the stands, especially the ones that I'm just, you know, I'll talk to them.
Speaker C:And I'm like, okay, so you played in high school one time and that makes you an expert on this.
Speaker C:Cool.
Speaker C:At least you have a point of reference.
Speaker C:And I know what you're trying to do is you're like, yo, I'm just, I'm competitive and I want my kids like fair.
Speaker C:But when I hear LA ladies who have no familiarity with the event that their kids even participating in and through their non familiarity with the actual sport, yelling out, that don't make no logical sense.
Speaker C:And, and yelling, yelling it with a whole chest, like, with a whole chest.
Speaker C:Like every time that kid get the ball, they yelling out shoot it.
Speaker C:And I'm like, your kid on the other side of the court, like you want to shoot it from out there.
Speaker A:Your kid is not Jordan.
Speaker C:60Ft.
Speaker C:That's that.
Speaker C:60 Foot.
Speaker C:Jump shot is what.
Speaker A:What you.
Speaker C:Y' all been working on?
Speaker C:Y' all been laughing that all summer.
Speaker A:It's a 60 foot jump shot.
Speaker C:I mean.
Speaker C:I mean, it's.
Speaker C:It's just like I'm looking at kids, and the kids just want to.
Speaker C:They just want to make their parents happy or parents shut the up.
Speaker C:I can't tell which one it is sometimes.
Speaker C:But when you see a kid that ain't got no business taking a shot, and every time they get the ball, somebody in the stands is yelling, shoot it.
Speaker C:And I'm just like, yo.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And yo.
Speaker C:Some people probably think that I'm not supportive because I don't be in the stands yelling.
Speaker C:You don't even hear me in the stands unless somebody does something good.
Speaker C:I'll be like, hey, good pass.
Speaker C:Hey, good shot.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:And I'm rooting for everybody because that's just kind of how I'm wired.
Speaker C:Yeah, of course the Cadence did something good.
Speaker C:Hey, hey, good pass, good shot.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But every time she gets the ball, you ain't hearing me say, shoot it.
Speaker C:Now, there's some times when she caught the ball, I'm just like, you gotta shoot that.
Speaker C:But I ain't saying it.
Speaker C:I ain't yelling it.
Speaker C:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker C:I'm not like, hey, you know, because it's like I told Cadence, I'm like, yo, when you're on the court, you hear all these people yelling at you, right?
Speaker C:And she was like, yeah.
Speaker C:And I'm like, yeah.
Speaker C:And people don't realize in a state of panic, which most kids.
Speaker C:And when you're participating in the sport and your adrenaline's high, you're already on panic mode.
Speaker C:And when you're on panic mode and somebody yells something assertively, whether you're thinking about it or not, a lot of times your inclination nation is just to do it.
Speaker C:There's so many times where I see a kid and somebody will, you know, shoot it.
Speaker C:And they just turn around and throw the ball.
Speaker C:Just throw the ball in the basket.
Speaker C:They're not shoot.
Speaker C:They're just like, yo, somebody said shoot it.
Speaker C:So I'm doing it, and I'm just like.
Speaker C:And people are like, what the are they doing?
Speaker C:And I'm like, they're panicking.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker C:That's what most people do when they're panicking, they continue to panic.
Speaker C:When people are in a panic mode, they don't relax facts.
Speaker C:They don't.
Speaker C:They don't see things clearly.
Speaker C:And that's why when you do see kids who play sports and it looks like everything's going slow for them.
Speaker C:We go, oh, that kid's gifted.
Speaker C:That kid's a natural.
Speaker C:Everything moves slow for them.
Speaker C:But 98 of the kids out there, no, this moving in 10 times, fast forward, and.
Speaker C:And they just trying to keep up.
Speaker C:And every time your dumb ass is in the stands yelling, shoot it.
Speaker C:Shoot it.
Speaker C:That's what they gonna do.
Speaker C:And then when they go over 36 and everybody on the team hate them because they shoot.
Speaker C:Shoot the ball.
Speaker C:And coaches don't like dealing with your kid because they just like, I can't work with this kid because you don't.
Speaker C:We don't work on this in practice.
Speaker C:We.
Speaker C:We don't.
Speaker C:We don't do a 360 turnaround baseline from the opposite the goal.
Speaker C:What the are we doing?
Speaker C:This ain't what we've been practicing.
Speaker C:And I'm just like, yo, man, it was really weird being behind enemy lines.
Speaker C:And, yeah, I'll say that.
Speaker C:Every time I'm in the stands, I feel like I'm behind enemy lines, man.
Speaker C:And I feel like I'm a spy.
Speaker C:Like, I'm.
Speaker C:I'm.
Speaker C:I'm here.
Speaker C:I'm infiltrated.
Speaker C:I've infiltrated them because I don't want to be discovered.
Speaker C:But you know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker C:Because sometimes I want to be like, hey, man, could you shut the up?
Speaker C:Because you know you're not helping nobody.
Speaker C:But then I'll be discovered.
Speaker C:They'll know I'm a spy.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So I gotta laugh.
Speaker C:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker C:Sometimes they'll look at me and say something like, I'm supposed to agree with them, and I gotta give a blank face or just laugh because.
Speaker C:And they don't know if I'm laughing with them.
Speaker C:But really, I'm just like, no, I'm laughing because you've made me uncomfortable now.
Speaker C:Because I don't want to be associated with the stupidity that is you.
Speaker C:So, yeah, man, I. I was behind enemy lines today, man.
Speaker C:It didn't feel good, man.
Speaker C:I couldn't wa to get back to home base and talk to my child about, like, hey, don't be like them other kids out there and don't.
Speaker C:And don't listen to all these other people.
Speaker C:Like, if I yell something for my daughter to do, I feel like she's more inclined to listen because she knows I don't just do that.
Speaker C:Like, if I'm getting her attention, it's for a reason.
Speaker C:And I'm generally saying something that makes sense, has some type of sports logic.
Speaker C:Involved in it.
Speaker C:Like, I'm not saying I'm an expert just because I coached a wet game.
Speaker A:I'm not.
Speaker C:I'm simply saying I've been around enough basketball to know some kids don't need to be out there like y' all paying for aau for some kids, that just ain't it.
Speaker C:And you mad at the coach cuz your kid ain't got no talent.
Speaker C:And I'm.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:Look, if Cadence misses a fast break layup, I'll never get mad at the coach.
Speaker C:I'll place my anger where it belongs.
Speaker C:On my unathletic wife.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:Okay, okay.
Speaker B:You don't want no cuddle time tonight.
Speaker B:Okay?
Speaker C:Now.
Speaker C:Now, when Cadence doesn't move very fast on the court, I got.
Speaker C:Hey, your dad wasn't that fast either.
Speaker C:Out.
Speaker C:I put my hand up.
Speaker B:That's not true.
Speaker B:You always say how fast you were.
Speaker C:No, no, no, no.
Speaker C:I was top line speed, fast, but like basketball dribbling past people, getting.
Speaker C:Nah, man.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:Not my game.
Speaker C:Like, now, if there's no ball involved and we're running in a straight line, I'm a train.
Speaker C:Once I get the top speed, I'm pretty damn fast.
Speaker C:But I don't get there as fast as everybody.
Speaker C:Anybody else.
Speaker C:I'm big with long legs, but yeah, man, you know, she's slow.
Speaker C:I'll take that.
Speaker C:My daughter Cadence has like a 2 inch vertical.
Speaker C:Hey, that's your boy right here.
Speaker C:I might be giving her an inch, dog.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker C:She might be giving her.
Speaker A:But she gets rebounds.
Speaker C:She blocked somebody.
Speaker C:Some girl shot on the face last break today, threw it out of bounds.
Speaker C:I'm just like, how.
Speaker C:How.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker C:It was like.
Speaker C:I thought it was cgi, dog.
Speaker C:There's no way.
Speaker C:There's no way.
Speaker A:Why you got.
Speaker B:Come on, man.
Speaker B:Gotta do better than that, man.
Speaker C:Her middle school team, I think when she was in eighth grade, she let.
Speaker C:She led their team in block shots.
Speaker C:And I'm just like, how Sway.
Speaker A:How Kiss.
Speaker C:Now.
Speaker C:Now, her older sister is athletic, but her older sister is fast forward all the time.
Speaker C:Like, she's always going too fast.
Speaker C:Well, Cadence sees everything.
Speaker C:She.
Speaker C:She slow mo.
Speaker B:That's what.
Speaker C:That's what mama start calling her.
Speaker C:Slow Mo.
Speaker C:Slow Mo and Speedy.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker C:Those are my two kids.
Speaker C:Slow Mo, Speedy, Kara got one speed and Cadence got no speed.
Speaker C:And that's.
Speaker C:Hey, Ruby, you've been proud, though.
Speaker C:Cadence is a lockdown defender because she might not be fat.
Speaker C:Hey, man, she can slide them feet, man.
Speaker C:Hey, that's what feet be going like.
Speaker C:She was giving Some girl, the fits, man.
Speaker C:Some, some girl has hit like four threes.
Speaker C:And Cadence decided, nah, man, I'm a guard you now.
Speaker C:And that was, was clamp.
Speaker C:And Cadence was tired as hell.
Speaker C:One time she, she had sub.
Speaker C:She was like, hey, man, I'm doing all this moving on defense.
Speaker C:I ain't got no energy for offense.
Speaker A:Hey, man, got.
Speaker A:As Kendrick Perkins was here.
Speaker A:Got sliding puppies.
Speaker C:Hey, Ruben.
Speaker C:The most self aware thing I ever heard somebody say.
Speaker C:K just got herself out.
Speaker C:And between games she was like, you know, I'm not as out of shape as I thought I was.
Speaker A:I mean, that's, that's that real, man?
Speaker C:I was just like, yo, only my kid's gonna be like, I'm not as out of shape as I thought I was.
Speaker C:And I wanted to tell her, no, you're just as out of shape as you thought you were.
Speaker C:The problem is you just didn't account for adrenaline and pride.
Speaker C:And you have a lot of both.
Speaker C:Yeah, because look, she gonna sleep good tonight.
Speaker C:As soon as she hit the bed, she out.
Speaker A:Especially pride.
Speaker A:What she ain't gonna do is allow herself stuff to be embarrassed.
Speaker C:I wasn't, I didn't.
Speaker C:I don't feel that with any judgment.
Speaker C:I'm saying that because that was me.
Speaker C:That was me all day.
Speaker C:Like, yo, man, no, nobody knew I couldn't play defense because, man, I was gonna give you so much energy and then later on I was gonna be like, hey, man, I ain't got it.
Speaker C:I'm done.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker C:Hey, remember playing instrument basketball?
Speaker C:I will tell ya.
Speaker C:I will tell you like, look, man, I'm good.
Speaker C:I will block somebody shot early in the game.
Speaker C:But hey, that's it for me, dog.
Speaker C:Like, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker C:I've spent all my energy.
Speaker C:Hopefully, hopefully they don't test it now because they, they think I can do it.
Speaker C:They don't know that I, I put all of it into that one play.
Speaker C:I got nothing left.
Speaker C:But they don't know that he ain't wrong.
Speaker A:Hope he ain't wrong on that.
Speaker A:I mean, hey, man, it's gonna be a great block too.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker C:Look, man, I'm, I'm.
Speaker C:I'm.
Speaker C:Time it up, man.
Speaker C:It's gonna, it's gonna look like I'm explosive as hell.
Speaker C:Yeah, man, my whole.
Speaker C:Yeah, left side gonna be hurting later on, man.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker A:Just like the spin move, like when he does his, his little roll.
Speaker A:Dribbling a basketball, rolling on the ground.
Speaker A:That's one time.
Speaker C:One, one time night only, baby.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's the B button that one time runs out of.
Speaker B:Did you say the B button?
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker C:If my player had the icon afterwards, little Gatorade thing would be over for the rest of the game, cuz I had to suspend all my stamina.
Speaker A:That's his.
Speaker A:That's his.
Speaker A:That's his special move, man.
Speaker A:He got that.
Speaker A:Use it once the game.
Speaker A:That's it.
Speaker A:So, hey, Ag.
Speaker C:I literally told them one time, one game, cuz we were playing the team.
Speaker C:And I was just like, yo, I looked at our other.
Speaker C:The other guy that scored all our points, Paul.
Speaker C:And I was like, paul, you gonna have to do it.
Speaker C:And everybody looked at me and I'm like.
Speaker C:Cause I'm gonna have to use all my energy on defense, and I ain't gonna have nothing for you on offense.
Speaker C:Hey.
Speaker C:And that's what I did all game.
Speaker C:I was just like, look, man, I'm Ben Wallace today.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker A:I was like, I got you, dog.
Speaker B:But I mean, that's still valuable though, right?
Speaker C:But, man, my greatest ability has, was always self awareness.
Speaker C:That's why when I.
Speaker C:When I see Cadence play, I'm just like, man, that she's almost too self aware.
Speaker C:I wish she was a little less self aware.
Speaker B:How you wanted somebody.
Speaker B:Wanted somebody to be less self aware.
Speaker C:Because sometimes I think her self awareness limits her.
Speaker C:Because she'll be like, yo, I didn't take that shot because I think this was a better play.
Speaker C:And I'm thinking, yeah, but you're never going to get better at certain.
Speaker C:Like there's certain times where you got to work on your things to get better.
Speaker C:Like, don't.
Speaker C:Don't be self aware and stagnant.
Speaker C:Like, be so for.
Speaker C:Like, hey, there's a time and place where I'm supposed to try this.
Speaker B:Yeah, I see that.
Speaker C:It's like sometimes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Like the first game, she didn't take any shots she played.
Speaker B:So you said, don't be so self where you use it as a crutch.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker B:Not to be okay.
Speaker B:That is a real thing.
Speaker B:It irritates the crap out of me.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's like you take the easy layup, but now you want to pass it the we doing.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And part of that is because she.
Speaker C:She.
Speaker C:She ain't got her thing yet.
Speaker C:She needs to find a thing.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker C:And look, man, as.
Speaker C:As a fat kid who's also a fat, short kid playing basketball, I figured out what my thing was right away.
Speaker C:I got real good at shooting.
Speaker C:So then I was just like, hey, no matter what happens, if I'm open, I can shoot this thing.
Speaker C:But it didn't matter who want, like, look, you put.
Speaker C:Back in the day, you could have put me on the court with NBA players and everything else, and I'd be like, hey, y' all way better than me.
Speaker C:But if you leave me open, I'm gonna shoot that.
Speaker C:All right, that's.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker C:That's what's gonna happen.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's all right.
Speaker C:But, yeah, man, I was with the enemy today, man.
Speaker C:It didn't feel good.
Speaker C:I'm.
Speaker C:I'm gonna try to encourage people not to be the enemy.
Speaker C:If, if your kids are at a sport, be supportive, cheer them on.
Speaker C:I don't even mind you, like, giving some harassment to the refs and stuff, like.
Speaker C:But moderation, man, moderation.
Speaker C:Everybody ain't trying to cheat your kid at an AAU tournament where the referees have no allegiance to anybody.
Speaker C:There's no.
Speaker C:No home court.
Speaker C:But you think they.
Speaker C:Your kid.
Speaker C:You think, you think they're trying to sabotage your kid's future career.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Your kid play better.
Speaker C:I bet your kid wants you to shut up.
Speaker C:Like, I promise you.
Speaker C:I bet you good, man.
Speaker C:I'm lucky.
Speaker C:I ain't ever have nobody in the stands yelling like that.
Speaker C:But I played with people and I could see my teammates face.
Speaker C:So they'd be like, man, I wish my.
Speaker C:I wish my mom didn't show up or I wish my dad didn't show up.
Speaker C:They should get a whole.
Speaker A:Oh, I just wish they would shut up.
Speaker C:I mean, or they just stop hearing it.
Speaker C:Like, they're the only person that's not hearing them.
Speaker C:Because, you know, if you like that at the court, I'm assuming you probably like that all the time.
Speaker C:And the only way that kid can survive is he had to learn how to tune you out.
Speaker A:Teacher, baby Charlie's brown teacher.
Speaker C:He had to learn how to tune you out.
Speaker A:Exactly, exactly.
Speaker C:But, yeah, that's it, man.
Speaker A:Cool, man.
Speaker A:Appreciate you.
Speaker A:Yeah, man.
Speaker A:So what's on my mind?
Speaker A:Some of the serious I've ever said on the show, like, and this doesn't pertain to everybody, it pertains to those who will pertain to.
Speaker A:It's very simple.
Speaker A:So almost seven years doing this show.
Speaker A:Literally almost seven years.
Speaker A:And this is how I feel.
Speaker A:I believe just like back in the day when WODU was on, the school.
Speaker A:Was on a school TV station.
Speaker A:You know, it was a low key thing that people watched it.
Speaker A:Nobody would ever say in public that they watch, watch it, because why do that?
Speaker A:I believe there Are some people who have watched this show and that's cool.
Speaker A:They'll probably.
Speaker A:They probably watched 20 minutes of a show and said it.
Speaker A:I can't deal with this no more.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:Look, man, I feel confident making this statement.
Speaker A:I probably lost some friends because of this show.
Speaker A:I feel like some people have watched this show and they have seen me in a light they have never seen me in before.
Speaker A:And they were just like, I can't be part of that.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker A:Thanks for not letting me know.
Speaker A:By letting me know.
Speaker A:You know, this show is built on a lot of different things.
Speaker A:And a lot of the things that is built on is for me to fully express the opinion that I choose to express.
Speaker A:Along with Moby, along with Ag.
Speaker A:Just because you didn't know that Reuben felt that way about some things, that doesn't make me a different person.
Speaker A:That just means there's some shit you just don't know about me.
Speaker A:And sometimes, hey, I gotta.
Speaker A:I gotta clean it up for some people.
Speaker A:And hey, look, I know who my true friends are.
Speaker A:I know, you know, I know the people who care about me, who love me.
Speaker A:I know the people who ran try to die for me and stuff like that.
Speaker A:Hence why, like, on purpose.
Speaker A:There are certain things in my life I just don't do, you know, because if I wanted you in my life, you'd be in my life.
Speaker A:And that's no offense to anybody out there.
Speaker A:It's just what it is.
Speaker A:You know, There are a lot of people I thought were friends, I guess, you know, phones or text or email just don't.
Speaker A:Don't happen anymore.
Speaker A:And you know what?
Speaker A:I'm super cool about that.
Speaker A:Because when it's all said and done, hey, as these two guys always say, when it gets a little, Harry, this is my show.
Speaker A:Even though it's our show, it's my show because my name's on it.
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker A:And so, hey, if you can't deal with what you hear on this show,.
Speaker B:Show,.
Speaker A:I'm not going to apologize for it.
Speaker A:If you want to have a conversation, you probably have a phone number.
Speaker A:You probably have an email address.
Speaker A:Reach out.
Speaker A:Especially on a the show like today, you know, we talk about things like this on this show.
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker A:Because we want to.
Speaker A:And honestly, I'm glad that we do.
Speaker A:You know, look, man, I ain't trying to be the leader of nothing.
Speaker A:I ain't trying to tell everybody how to live their life.
Speaker A:The only thing I can tell you is how I live my life, what I think about things.
Speaker A:And hey, you deal with that.
Speaker A:What you want.
Speaker A:But what I'm not gonna do is just.
Speaker A:Just not do what I want.
Speaker A:Say my peace now, as a guy, say, sometimes I don't go 100 with it.
Speaker A:But, hey, I go as far as I need to go, as far as I choose to go.
Speaker A:And if you can't deal with that, and knowing me, hey, man, sounds like a you problem, and that's cool.
Speaker A:And once again, just a.
Speaker A:This doesn't go out to anybody specific because if you feel, well, he's not talking about me, then it's probably to you.
Speaker A:And, hey, I'm not in this for the money.
Speaker A:At least at this point in time.
Speaker A:I'm in this for what it's for, right?
Speaker A:As I say all the time.
Speaker A:As I say, say every anniversary.
Speaker A:This is the longest relationship I've ever been in.
Speaker A:As I say, all the time.
Speaker A:This is a little bit of my therapy session, you know, and it's cheaper than talking to somebody on a couch.
Speaker A:Not saying, you shouldn't.
Speaker A:I'm just saying I don't.
Speaker A:At least at this point in time, maybe one day I'll change that.
Speaker A:But at this point, this is what it is.
Speaker A:Hey, if you can't get down with me having an opinion about whatever I choose to talk about and that bothers you so much, hey, it's cool, you know, because everybody should have their own opinion.
Speaker A:However, I will also say that because I have my own opinion, I also don't have the right to sit here and tell you that your opinion is wrong.
Speaker A:I may, but it's my opinion that you wrong.
Speaker A:And I can do that.
Speaker A:Just like your opinion of me could be wrong, and you can do that, too.
Speaker A:But when it's all said and done, you know, I am Reuben L. Brown.
Speaker A:This is who I am.
Speaker A:I didn't just change when I turned 50.
Speaker A:I've been like this longer than most people have thought.
Speaker A:So show.
Speaker A:But if my mother can watch this show and still love me, man, the rest of y', all, that's real talk.
Speaker A:Like, if you don't like me, that's on you.
Speaker A:I know my.
Speaker A:My mother loves me.
Speaker A:And she sits and tells me that I'm a tar.
Speaker A:I. I suck at cursing, and I shouldn't do it.
Speaker A:But it's my show.
Speaker A:I do what I want.
Speaker B:And she understands that again.
Speaker A:And she understands that, and she does not give me any grief about it.
Speaker A:And you know what?
Speaker A:Hey, that's all I can ask.
Speaker A:You know, I know Mo B's mom watches this because then she tells him all the stuff that he said about her is wrong.
Speaker B:That was hilarious, by the way.
Speaker B:Mo.
Speaker C:Yeah, threatens to sue me.
Speaker A:Yeah, and me too sometimes.
Speaker A:Once again, you ain't getting nothing because.
Speaker B:I'm broke of a show.
Speaker A:Yeah, I might be able to get.
Speaker B:You a turn up though.
Speaker A:But, but still.
Speaker A:All I'm saying is, look, you know, I, I love the friendships I have with people, but if this is the line between you being my friend and not, then I guess our friendship wasn't as friendly as we thought it was.
Speaker A:And that's cool.
Speaker A:And once again, most people of people who this might refer to is never going to see this or never going to hear this.
Speaker A:And that's okay.
Speaker A:All I'm saying is I'm Reuben L. Brown.
Speaker A:This is what I do and I love doing it.
Speaker A:If you can't get down with that, I got two words for you later.
Speaker A:Not stop, but still, nah.
Speaker A:For those who listen to the show, I appreciate you.
Speaker A:Whether you listen to us online, live or you listen to the podcast.
Speaker A:Hey, we appreciate you.
Speaker A:One day maybe during an anniversary I'll drop some knowledge on some stuff.
Speaker A:But hey, this is what we do.
Speaker A:We do this every Sunday night, 9pm until we feel like getting up out of here, which is going to be in the next 30 seconds.
Speaker A:But thank you for listening to us.
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