Episode 347
Episode 347: I Explain: Men, Independence, and the Silent Financial Burden
We ask why women in relationships tend to worry more about household money than men do. We argue that men often plan for finances privately and therefore do not speak about money as openly. We discuss that women may be socialized to fear financial dependence and may show independence as a protective stance. We share personal stories about mothers and family members signaling approval or concern about partners and how those signals shape choices. We examine how these patterns affect trust, partnership, and communication in relationships. We also touch on politics, television portrayals, and holiday topics that arose during the conversation. We thank our listeners and invite them to join our live shows and follow us online.
Transcript
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Speaker C:This week on the Five Minute Warning,.
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Speaker F:Good evening, everyone out there in the world of the Internet.
Speaker F:Welcome to a brand new episode of Five Minute Warning.
Speaker F:Of course, always, it's your man Reuben in the house with you.
Speaker F:Pew.
Speaker F:And of course, always with me is my cousin, A.G. d.
Speaker C:What's happening, y'?
Speaker C:All?
Speaker C:How you doing?
Speaker F:The beginning of the seventh season.
Speaker C:I thought it'd be a little different on the intro, brother.
Speaker F:Not yet.
Speaker F:Not yet,.
Speaker C:Bro.
Speaker F:I haven't, bro.
Speaker F:I mean, I've been out the weekend, bro.
Speaker F:I've.
Speaker A:Been out the weekend.
Speaker A:I'm trying, trust me.
Speaker C:I was like, I'm gonna get on a little early so I can hear.
Speaker C:It'll be like,.
Speaker A:Ah.
Speaker A:It is worth the wait, I promise you.
Speaker A:I couldn't.
Speaker A:I couldn't think stuff up quick enough.
Speaker A:And I got home late, so.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:I couldn't finish it, but it will be done.
Speaker A:I promise that.
Speaker A:Everybody's like, what are you talking about?
Speaker A:I mean, I guess you gotta listen to the episode.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Next week you'll find out what I'm talking about.
Speaker A:Most definitely.
Speaker A:Most definitely.
Speaker A:Oh, my God, man.
Speaker A:Like, I got an extra hour's sleep, man.
Speaker C:Isn't that nice?
Speaker A:Yeah, I feel good, but I know it's gonna mess up the rest of my life eventually.
Speaker C:The rest of your entire life?
Speaker C:That's a little drastic, don't you?
Speaker A:Well, when I spring forward, man, the spring forward always fucks me up.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:It's what it is.
Speaker A:Wait.
Speaker C:A minute.
Speaker C:So the fall back messes you up the spring Forward messes you up.
Speaker C:Are you just messed up?
Speaker A:Possibly.
Speaker C:You gotta pick a lane, bro.
Speaker C:You gotta pick a lane.
Speaker A:Do I have to?
Speaker C:You kind of do.
Speaker A:Eh, well, we'll push that to next week.
Speaker C:Now we're procrastinating, too.
Speaker A:We're procrastinating on the lane?
Speaker A:Yes, sir.
Speaker C:Come on, man.
Speaker C:I've.
Speaker A:Been procrastinating on the lane for 53 years, man.
Speaker A:Why stop now?
Speaker C:You know I can't argue that.
Speaker A:Oh, man.
Speaker A:But it's officially.
Speaker A:Well, not officially.
Speaker A:We're getting close to that winter time.
Speaker A:It's getting a little cold out there.
Speaker A:No,.
Speaker C:It's not.
Speaker C:It keeps going back to high 60s and low 70s.
Speaker C:What kind of foolishness is that?
Speaker A:I mean, I don't know where you were.
Speaker A:That was low 70s this weekend, but it won't where I was,.
Speaker C:I'm saying during the week, it's been fluctuating, and it's not been.
Speaker C:It's not been cool.
Speaker C:That's for sure.
Speaker A:Well, today is, like, 63.
Speaker A:It's cold.
Speaker A:So, like,.
Speaker C:63 Is effing cold.
Speaker C:Really?
Speaker C:Is that what we're doing, sir?
Speaker A:It's hoodie time, baby.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:Lightweight look.
Speaker A:Bad.
Speaker C:Lightweight.
Speaker A:Our temperature shit is different.
Speaker C:Apparently it is.
Speaker C:Cause, you know, you and my wife get along.
Speaker C:Well, we take a grandson to work.
Speaker C:I mean, not to work.
Speaker C:To school every morning during the week, and it's been really, like, brisk outside.
Speaker C:He's like, you need a jacket.
Speaker C:I don't need no jacket.
Speaker C:I've been waiting on this all summer.
Speaker C:It's time to go.
Speaker C:Let's go.
Speaker C:Let's go.
Speaker A:Who needs a jacket, you or your grandson?
Speaker C:Me.
Speaker C:Everybody else is cold.
Speaker C:Little grandkid, his cold.
Speaker C:Gigi.
Speaker C:I mean, like, loser.
Speaker C:Oh, to make you walk to school, you call him a loser?
Speaker C:In my head.
Speaker C:In my head.
Speaker C:In my head.
Speaker C:I ain't said to him for real.
Speaker C:But I was like, man, you soft.
Speaker A:I mean,.
Speaker C:Soft.
Speaker A:I mean, all I'm saying is I don't understand what a lie is,.
Speaker C:Man.
Speaker C:Look, it ain't cold outside.
Speaker A:I mean, it's.
Speaker C:Been hot all summer long, and first time is 60.
Speaker C:Some people, it's cold.
Speaker C:Okay,.
Speaker A:This is what I would say.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna say that.
Speaker A:Excuse me.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna say it's, like, cold, cold.
Speaker A:I'm just gonna say I had to add to put on the sweatshirt this weekend.
Speaker A:And you know what?
Speaker A:For me, like, it is what it is, man.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm the sweatshirt guy.
Speaker A:Like, it's time, you know?
Speaker A:Now it's like 40.
Speaker A:It's like 48 streets out there now.
Speaker A:Nah, that's cold.
Speaker A:Like, you know, but I feel you.
Speaker A:68.
Speaker A:Cold.
Speaker A:Cold.
Speaker A:But 60 means I gotta put on something other than short sleeves up in this.
Speaker C:Is that what that means?
Speaker A:That's what that means.
Speaker C:You know, this is.
Speaker C:This is.
Speaker C:This is the part of adulthood, one of the few parts of adulthood that I actually enjoy because my mom Rip and my dad can't tell me, boy, put some clothes on before you catch a cold.
Speaker C:Wait a.
Speaker C:Hold up.
Speaker C:My bad.
Speaker C:You catch pneumonia?
Speaker C:I'm like, really?
Speaker C:Yeah, really.
Speaker A:It's never cold, man.
Speaker A:It's always like worst case scenario,.
Speaker C:Man.
Speaker C:And the funny thing about that statement is the one time I did have pneumonia, it was the spring and it was hot, bro.
Speaker C:Really?
Speaker C:Come on, man.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker A:Get.
Speaker A:I get colds in the summer, son.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker A:Worst.
Speaker C:See what I'm saying?
Speaker A:Ever.
Speaker C:It's nothing worse than having sniffles when it's 80 degrees outside.
Speaker C:90.
Speaker A:Degrees.
Speaker A:Try that.
Speaker F:Again.
Speaker C:Whatever.
Speaker C:It's just awful.
Speaker C:So, I.
Speaker F:Mean,.
Speaker A:It is.
Speaker A:It is, man.
Speaker A:And let's.
Speaker A:Let's break MOBI into.
Speaker F:This.
Speaker C:So shout out to my mom, but she was wrong.
Speaker A:Ain't ready.
Speaker A:I mean,.
Speaker C:She was wrong.
Speaker C:Love her, but she was wrong.
Speaker C:And I'm out here rebelling.
Speaker C:So what.
Speaker C:What?
Speaker F:All I'm saying is.
Speaker C:What?
Speaker C:You.
Speaker F:Know, half the day, my, my, my.
Speaker A:Voices.
Speaker A:The voices made a comeback.
Speaker A:Cuz this was.
Speaker A:The voice was like.
Speaker C:Did you have like a work event that you had to talk a lot?
Speaker A:I was at a work event.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:This weekend we let' at the, at the event, I got to see myself.
Speaker C:Uh huh.
Speaker C:What's up, Mo?
Speaker A:Another dude.
Speaker D:Oh, no.
Speaker A:In my reflection.
Speaker C:Okay, wait a minute.
Speaker C:You got to see yourself and another dude in.
Speaker C:In your reflection?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:What does that mean?
Speaker A:I mean, how many black people there?
Speaker C:Oh, oh, okay.
Speaker C:Well, we already knew that.
Speaker A:I mean, so.
Speaker A:Hey, it was, it was.
Speaker A:I though, you know, they were co.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:You know, you know, was.
Speaker A:It was a lot of open carry.
Speaker C:Open carry.
Speaker C:Likes guns.
Speaker C:For real?
Speaker A:You know, definitely knives.
Speaker C:Wait a minute.
Speaker C:For real?
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker C:All right, Okay.
Speaker A:I mean, people.
Speaker A:People had their pocket knives on the belt hilt.
Speaker C:And.
Speaker A:I was just kind of like, I didn't have mine.
Speaker A:I left mine in the car.
Speaker C:I presume this was a rural area.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Anytime somebody says pocket knives on the.
Speaker C:On the hip, I always presume that it's a real area.
Speaker A:Oh, it was.
Speaker A:There were some other knives on the hip too.
Speaker C:100.
Speaker A:I mean, it was.
Speaker C:Crocodile Dundee knives and whatnot.
Speaker A:You know, I was a good event, though.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:Real talk.
Speaker A:I will say this.
Speaker A:No, I won't.
Speaker A:I won't say that.
Speaker C:Why not?
Speaker C:See, you got my mouth all watering for what you're gonna say.
Speaker A:Now.
Speaker A:You gotta.
Speaker A:You gotta.
Speaker A:Wait.
Speaker A:I can't.
Speaker A:I can't say that because that's, that's disrespectful.
Speaker C:Okay, Mo, got a question for you, sir.
Speaker C:Good to see you.
Speaker C:Um,.
Speaker A:Mo on mute.
Speaker C:He is.
Speaker C:He can still hear me.
Speaker A:I hope so.
Speaker A:Can you hear us, Mo?
Speaker D:Yeah, I can.
Speaker D:I can hear y'.
Speaker D:All.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker C:My question is, and this happened just 20 minutes ago, I did not realize a quarterback could get a false start call.
Speaker C:How does that even happen?
Speaker D:Quarterback can get a false start if they do extra hand gestures in shotgun because you're not supposed to be able to do, but so much.
Speaker C:Okay, now that makes sense because Jaden Daniels leaned to the side and they flagged him.
Speaker C:And I'm like, yeah, what, what happened?
Speaker C:But all the things that I was talking about, the quarterbacks do.
Speaker C:I was telling my wife this before we came on.
Speaker C:All of that happens at line scrimmage, because he was in the shotgun.
Speaker C:It doesn't matter.
Speaker C:You can't move.
Speaker C:And I didn't, I didn't realize that.
Speaker D:Yeah,.
Speaker C:So all the clapping for.
Speaker D:The ball, all the.
Speaker C:Audibles.
Speaker D:Yeah, you can, you can do that, but you can't move.
Speaker D:You can't literally come off your spot.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:I mean, I don't.
Speaker A:I didn't think anybody else could really see him, but.
Speaker C:Well, they showed the replay because all of us were confused.
Speaker C:Like everybody on the telecast, everybody was confused at how quarterback could get a false start.
Speaker C:And so they showed it.
Speaker C:And so he was in the shotgun.
Speaker C:His.
Speaker C:His fleet, his feet were planted, but he leaned to the side and they flagged him.
Speaker C:So I guess that was the false start.
Speaker C:Yeah, he didn't do that, sir, but he should.
Speaker A:Have.
Speaker A:I mean,.
Speaker C:You don't.
Speaker A:Get a.
Speaker A:If you don't get a five yard belly, you might as well earn that.
Speaker C:Yeah, no,.
Speaker A:That's all I'm saying.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker A:With that being said, hey, man, let's get to this question today.
Speaker A:So the question of the day is.
Speaker A:I mean, I found it.
Speaker A:I feel like we've talked around it, but we've never had an episode that we just went.
Speaker A:We went in with it.
Speaker A:So that's why I felt like it was necessary to do so.
Speaker D:I disagree.
Speaker D:But if you don't remember, then it never happened.
Speaker A:I mean, nah, definitely.
Speaker C:And sir, he is back to the Mouth right away.
Speaker A:I never said that.
Speaker A:I never.
Speaker D:I mean now, now it wasn't the topic, but we definitely got into it.
Speaker A:And I think that's the point because now we can, instead of, instead of, you know, basically taking over another topic topic, we can just talk about this because, you know, and it's been my assumption it's been a while since we've talked about this.
Speaker A:So not that, because I can't remember if that's not the case.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So the question today is very simple.
Speaker A:Why do women in relationships seem to worry more about the money situation when it pertains to the money in the household?
Speaker A:Or do men just do a better job of not talking about money in the household than women?
Speaker A:And I see, and I, and I think we have talked around this, but I don't think we've gotten into this type of detail because I guess I feel like, you know, I watch a lot of stuff on TV and stuff on social media and stuff like that.
Speaker A:I feel like, you know, when you're talking about relationships, the only people who really talk about like being comfortable and like protecting myself and all this about the money is women.
Speaker A:It's almost like dudes never really talk about it.
Speaker A:Or do we just do a really good job of just like compartmentalizing that and planning and planning for it.
Speaker A:Because I don't think I've ever heard too many guys be like talking to this girl.
Speaker A:Look man, I'm trying to make sure I, I'm good just in case you up and le my ass.
Speaker A:You know, I don't think,.
Speaker F:I mean,.
Speaker D:You.
Speaker F:Could tell me if that's.
Speaker D:Been said, but I don't, I mean, I feel like this is a, almost a self explanatory question.
Speaker D:But to be honest, I think it's just because essentially.
Speaker D:And somebody would get mad at me for saying this, but women are bred to be dependents.
Speaker D:So when you're dependent, you're always worried about your financial security because you're always depending on someone as a guy.
Speaker D:We don't necessarily talk about being comfortable just in case this doesn't work because it's self explanatory that we got to take care of ourselves no matter what.
Speaker D:Men don't generally say shit like I got my own car, my own job, my own place because we look at them and go like, yeah, you're an adult, congratulations,.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker D:But, but women, but women will throw that out there like, you know, like a badge of honor.
Speaker D:And that's because, you know, for the Most part, they're almost programmed that in some form or fashion, they're supposed to be independent, good, bad, or indifferent.
Speaker D:So, yeah, in a relationship, a guy usually isn't like, man, you know, I got to put some money aside just in case this don't work out because I don't want to be out back.
Speaker D:Because especially in marriage, like Reuben the single, the relationship dating thing might be different, but as a guy, if you're married, you already know the only way out of this is to lose half your.
Speaker D:There's just no other way out of it.
Speaker D:But even with the most airtight prenup, sometimes you can still lose half a.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker D:So that.
Speaker D:It's not that guys do a job of compartmentalizing.
Speaker D:It's just like, why am I gonna tell you?
Speaker D:Water's wet, Reuben.
Speaker D:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker D:As a guy, it's like, why am I gonna tell you that I gotta take care of myself if this don't work out?
Speaker D:Like, we already know that.
Speaker D:Everybody knows that.
Speaker A:So I guess the question more is like, so why do what.
Speaker A:What is your opinion on why women feel like they need to use as a bad.
Speaker A:I got my own.
Speaker A:Like,.
Speaker D:Because.
Speaker D:Because early on, they're taught, not even taught, it's almost expected that in some form of fashion, they're dependent.
Speaker D:So because they're kind of programmed or there's such an expectation of them being taken care of that they wear independence as a badge of honor.
Speaker D:Which is.
Speaker D:Which is really crazy when these.
Speaker D:These women are like, hey, you know, we're all the good men out.
Speaker D:Like, yo, they're not looking for an independent person.
Speaker D:They're looking for a partner.
Speaker D:And.
Speaker D:And the idea of you being an independent woman is completely averse to being a partner.
Speaker D:It just.
Speaker D:The two really clash.
Speaker D:Because, look, I'm an adult.
Speaker D:I know I have to pay for stuff.
Speaker D:I have to have my own place to stay, but nowhere in a relationship am I going to tell this woman, I'm an independent man.
Speaker D:Because the whole idea of me wanting to be in a relationship is I don't want to fucking be independent anymore.
Speaker D:I want to be in a partnership.
Speaker D:There are some things in my life that I don't want to do by myself.
Speaker D:So I'm not going to sit here and say, I'm an independent man.
Speaker D:Like, that's stupid.
Speaker D:An independent man just means you ain't got no bitches.
Speaker A:Wow, that's.
Speaker A:That's fair.
Speaker D:If you hear a dude saying he's an independent dude, all you thinking in the Back of your head, man.
Speaker D:You ain't got no hope.
Speaker F:First of all, I feel very confident in making a statement.
Speaker F:I never heard those words put together from.
Speaker D:A dude.
Speaker D:I haven't either.
Speaker D:But if I did, the first thing I would think is, man, you ain't got no hoe.
Speaker D:I'm sorry, you ain't got no ladies.
Speaker D:You ain't got no members of the opposite sex or same sex like you.
Speaker D:You don't have any action.
Speaker F:I mean, I don't have that, but I don't think I would ever say the term I'm an independent man.
Speaker F:That just seems,.
Speaker D:It's a, it's reduction.
Speaker D:It's a redundant thing.
Speaker D:We know you're an independent man.
Speaker D:Like, you're a man.
Speaker D:End it.
Speaker F:So, so basically you're saying men can say that women can't say I'm a woman.
Speaker F:That's, that's it?
Speaker D:Well, no, no, they can't.
Speaker F:Assume that they're independent.
Speaker D:Well, yeah, you can never assume.
Speaker D:But if they don't have me that they're independent.
Speaker D:Yo, you can have a ag.
Speaker D:Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker D:You could talk to them for 15 minutes and you can gather.
Speaker D:Whether she tells you or not, is she single?
Speaker D:Is she single by choice?
Speaker D:Single?
Speaker D:Because don't nobody want to put up with the, or she a dependent.
Speaker D:But, you know, you can tell that real quick in the conversation.
Speaker C:Actually, women can be all of those things at once, depending on.
Speaker D:One time.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker C:100%.
Speaker C:They don't.
Speaker C:They don't.
Speaker C:I, I, I said this on the show a million times.
Speaker C:Women don't.
Speaker D:Have.
Speaker C:Anything that they're, they don't have anything that they are required to do.
Speaker D:It's a mystique.
Speaker D:They're shape shifters, man.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:They can be whatever the situation requires.
Speaker D:Because that boss chick, because who, who will tell you she's a boss chick will be the first person sitting at a dinner table looking at your ass like the man supposed to pass you the boss.
Speaker D:You told me you was a boss chick.
Speaker A:Can I make a statement?
Speaker A:Like, officially, hate, hate, hate is coming, and I'm cool with that, but is it me or I just hate that term.
Speaker A:Like, if a woman says, like, I'm a boss chick or I'm a boss or whatever, I'm just kind of like, I, I'm immediately turned off.
Speaker D:I, I hate it.
Speaker D:Because 99.9 of the time they're not that.
Speaker D:Because I don't think they truly understand what that definition means.
Speaker D:We've, I've talked about it before.
Speaker D:Like, you Might be successful.
Speaker D:Yeah, you might be well off.
Speaker D:But a boss takes responsibility for and other people.
Speaker D:People.
Speaker D:You ain't trying to do that because you'll be quick to say, I ain't about to take care of no man.
Speaker D:Then you're not a boss if you ain't taking care like a boss takes care of people.
Speaker D:When goes bad, you're the one that has to own it.
Speaker D:And I don't know about you, but I don't know too many women that be owning any failure, period.
Speaker D:End of story.
Speaker C:I feel I hear the noise of broken toes right now.
Speaker D:I've rarely.
Speaker D:I've rarely heard a woman, like, be the reason her relationship didn't work.
Speaker D:Like, if I was talking to a woman and she was like, yeah, you know, my last relationship didn't work out.
Speaker D:You know, I was real immature.
Speaker D:I wasn't, you know, I wasn't really an open communicator.
Speaker D:I was kind of.
Speaker D:I.
Speaker D:Look, I'd be like, yo, this I got to be getting punk, because I ain't never heard no woman say anything.
Speaker D:But that ain't.
Speaker D:And my is awesome.
Speaker C:It's really good to have you back, sir.
Speaker F:I mean,.
Speaker A:I'm pretty sure, like, if I heard something, like, if I was on a date and that came up, we came up and we're talking about past relationships, and she said some like that I would probably be super impressed.
Speaker D:No, I'd be scared because I'm like, you're.
Speaker D:You're.
Speaker D:You're like psycho.
Speaker D:Because there's no way I'm gonna believe this.
Speaker D:You're a.
Speaker C:Psycho.
Speaker C:Wait a minute.
Speaker C:She tell you that?
Speaker C:She tell you the truth and she's a psycho.
Speaker D:There's no way.
Speaker D:This would be my toxic trait, because I'd be like, you can't be real.
Speaker C:You know, actually, he's got a good point.
Speaker D:You're a scammer.
Speaker C:He's got a good point.
Speaker C:Because, see, what.
Speaker C:What I would say was, if a woman said that to me, I'd be like, if you're telling me that, it must be really bad.
Speaker C:It must be a lot worse than what you're saying if you're saying it to me.
Speaker C:If you're saying I wasn't this and I was that and I wasn't this, and.
Speaker D:I probably downplayed.
Speaker C:Exactly, Exactly.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:So I would say that about what Mo said.
Speaker C:I. I wouldn't.
Speaker C:I wouldn't think she's a psycho.
Speaker C:I would just say it's a lot worse than what you're telling me.
Speaker C:Because anytime somebody tells the Truth on themselves, do they really tell the whole truth?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:They give you a little bit to make you feel like they're being honest?
Speaker C:No.
Speaker A:Well, I mean, of course the representative is always on the first couple dates, so there's that.
Speaker A:Mocowboy says, is independent really something to be proud of, let alone something to self identify yourself as?
Speaker D:Those are two different questions.
Speaker D:Because being independent as an adult is something to be proud of, like right away.
Speaker D:But if you feel the need to self identify that, you're probably not the first one.
Speaker D:You're probably not actually independent if you've got to actually identify it.
Speaker A:Like,.
Speaker D:We hear young people do that all the time.
Speaker D:Like you talk to a young person.
Speaker D:I'm grown.
Speaker D:If you gotta tell me you're grown, either you just got there or you ain't quite there.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, maybe your balls just dropped.
Speaker A:You feeling yourself.
Speaker A:I mean, that's cool, but like, nah,.
Speaker D:19 Year old, 20 year old me, there's no grown 40 something year old me.
Speaker D:I gotta say that.
Speaker D:Like, I hope not.
Speaker C:I don't know, based on what you told me about your childhood, bro, he's probably saying you was grown.
Speaker C:You were 16.
Speaker C:Just saying, man, your mom put you out.
Speaker C:She, she trained you good.
Speaker D:Yeah, but, but I was perfect.
Speaker D:See, that's the thing.
Speaker D:I was perfectly aware that I wasn't grown because I knew I wasn't paying for shit.
Speaker C:But you knew, you knew in two years you'd have to.
Speaker D:Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker D:She, that, that's why I knew I wasn't grown.
Speaker D:Because she made it abundantly clear to chance she could that I wasn't grown.
Speaker D:She let it be like that.
Speaker D:That was like a, that was like every Monday.
Speaker D:Like every Monday, I gotta let you know that you ain't grown.
Speaker A:Hey, I love you, little Tico, but you ain't grown.
Speaker A:What the.
Speaker A:Like,.
Speaker D:I mean, just, just, just whatever, whatever was going on, she would say something that she knew I couldn't do and then be like, yeah, cuz, you ain't grown.
Speaker D:Oh, you want.
Speaker D:What you gonna pay for that?
Speaker D:Oh, that's right.
Speaker D:Translation, you ain't grown.
Speaker A:That's serious psychological warfare right.
Speaker D:Now.
Speaker D:Hey, I'm trying to go so and so.
Speaker D:How you gonna get there?
Speaker D:Oh, that's right, you ain't grown.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker C:I gotta, I gotta ask.
Speaker C:You're a parent, I gotta ask you.
Speaker C:I don't know how much you say that to your daughters, but the first time a parent isn't, can't.
Speaker C:Well, the first time a parent can't play the.
Speaker C:You Ain't grown card anymore.
Speaker C:Does that affect them at some point?
Speaker C:You spent 18 years or 20 or 25, whatever the case is, you spent a certain amount of time, a very long time holding this over someone, and then the day ends where they are actually the person you said they weren't.
Speaker C:And it's like, you have to get used to a whole nother dynamic.
Speaker C:Does that affect a parent?
Speaker C:Parent?
Speaker D:I would say it affects women.
Speaker C:Oh, okay.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:And I can actually.
Speaker C:Can understand that.
Speaker C:I think probably.
Speaker D:Fathers.
Speaker C:Are like, yeah, you,.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker D:Because, like, the second I look at them and I know I can't tell them they can't do something, and I'm like, hey, you're truly doing this on your own.
Speaker D:I'm happy.
Speaker D:Like, I'm like, yo,.
Speaker F:Yeah,.
Speaker D:We hear now.
Speaker D:Now, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker D:Like, now I can just talk to you like you a everyday common adult, and you no longer depend.
Speaker D:I can't wait for that moment.
Speaker D:Now the part of me that, like, misses them needing me is still there.
Speaker D:But, yeah, I'm not gonna be.
Speaker D:There's not gonna be anything to wrestle with for me.
Speaker D:But mothers have a hard time wrestling with that,.
Speaker C:Okay?
Speaker D:Because they associate you not being grown with you needing them,.
Speaker C:But needing a.
Speaker C:Needing a parent, like, evolves.
Speaker C:It's never the same thing.
Speaker D:Ag.
Speaker D:I know that.
Speaker C:Because your daughters will always need you until the day you die.
Speaker C:But it's just like, it evolves.
Speaker D:I know that.
Speaker D:Guys.
Speaker D:Men generally understand that.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:But women, like, they want.
Speaker D:They want to keep you in the womb.
Speaker D:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker D:They, like, hey, I just.
Speaker D:I need you to need me like this.
Speaker A:They still want you to be a child,.
Speaker C:But they're always yelling at you for not making your own decisions.
Speaker C:Like, what?
Speaker D:Man, there are only two things that upset a woman.
Speaker D:Getting what she wants and not getting what she wants.
Speaker C:I knew it was coming as soon as I said it out of my mouth.
Speaker C:I said, you know what?
Speaker C:I just wasted this guy's time.
Speaker D:And, ladies, if you're mad that I'm saying that, be mad at my mom.
Speaker D:Cause she's the one that told me that.
Speaker D:That.
Speaker A:I mean, the truth.
Speaker A:The truth is the truth, man.
Speaker A:It is like, hey, man, you can never be truly, you know, parents.
Speaker A:Like, I feel like, what.
Speaker A:Everything Moby just said is correct.
Speaker A:Like, I think with fathers, once they get to a point when.
Speaker A:Once you get to a point where you.
Speaker A:They realize and you realize that you independent as.
Speaker A:As far, it's almost just like.
Speaker A:It's more like a internal Smile.
Speaker A:I've done my job,.
Speaker D:Especially with boys like dad, and it's definitely that.
Speaker D:And now.
Speaker D:Now for daughters, it's different because it's like, I still want to.
Speaker D:I still want to protect you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:But, like, at the same time, you still proud, cuz?
Speaker D:You're like, yo, like, my whole idea is like, I just want you to be a good, functioning adult.
Speaker D:That's how I know I did well.
Speaker D:That you can function on your own.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:I'm constantly thinking about the day I ate here.
Speaker D:I'm just like, I want to know that you are good, but I'm not here.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker D:I realize my wife does not look at it that way.
Speaker D:She's like, I want you to always need me right here.
Speaker D:Like, right here.
Speaker C:That is so counterintuitive.
Speaker F:Yes.
Speaker C:I mean, you're raising people to be grown, but you feel that way.
Speaker C:That's a lot of weight, man.
Speaker C:That's a lot of weight.
Speaker D:It's got to be stressful.
Speaker D:Look, man, I know my mom wrestles with that all the time.
Speaker D:My mom will catch herself trying to, like, the whole thing where I say she'll always ask me where I'm going.
Speaker D:And now she's been trying to cognitively not ask me, and she'll say it and she'll look at me and she'll catch herself.
Speaker D:But, you know, don't worry.
Speaker D:Don't tell me, but I'm looking at him like, but this is killing you because you want to know where I'm at that.
Speaker C:But the thing is, all.
Speaker D:The time,.
Speaker C:It's like the woman that you've explained to us, it's like, she groomed you to be grown from the womb like she was.
Speaker C:You're in basic training until you're 18 years old, and it's just like.
Speaker C:But to hear her struggle with this is like, what?
Speaker D:Shape shifters, man?
Speaker D:We already talked about it.
Speaker D:They're shape shifters, man.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:I mean, you.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:But I'm like, wow.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:But this is what I will say.
Speaker A:I feel like, you know, I mean, I can only basically be based on my experience.
Speaker A:Like, you know, I feel like dads are proud when you get to the point where.
Speaker A:When everybody sees a point, hey, it's not the fact you don't need me.
Speaker A:It's like you don't need me when you don't need me.
Speaker A:Which means if I ever come to you, that means shit is left.
Speaker D:You know what?
Speaker D:That.
Speaker D:You know what dads want?
Speaker D:Dads want you to come to them for advice.
Speaker D:Mom wants you to come to her to Tell me what to do.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:I never thought of it that way.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker D:As a dad, you love when somebody comes to you for advice.
Speaker D:Like, hey, you've already thought about it.
Speaker D:You've already gathered your thoughts together, and you're just like, hey, I'm just shooting this off because now I'm just like, yo, I can see that you don't thought about it.
Speaker D:You know, you respect me and the wisdom that I have enough to ask me for my input, but at the same time, I can give you all the advice in the world, but I know at the end of the day, you can turn around and not listen to damn thing I say.
Speaker D:And that's.
Speaker D:I'm cool with that.
Speaker D:That's the part where a lot of moms aren't cool.
Speaker D:Like, if I ask my mom for advice and she gives me advice and then I turn around and do something different, she's gonna be mad at me because I didn't do what she said.
Speaker A:But I also think.
Speaker A:But I also think it's the type of advice, like.
Speaker A:Because, like, honestly, depending on who your parents are, I mean, because you come.
Speaker A:If you come to your parents on advice on something that you know that they're good at or they know how to do, and you're just.
Speaker A:Especially like with dads.
Speaker A:Like, you know, dads.
Speaker A:Some dads are really good with money, and they really good with a whole bunch of that you necessarily didn't know?
Speaker A:Like, the day I found out.
Speaker A:Not that I don't know if I didn't know, but I didn't know.
Speaker A:Like, the fact that even though I kind.
Speaker A:I mean, I. I was there, right?
Speaker A:That the fact that nobody's ever lived in the house that I grew up in other than us, like, yeah, this is like four or five years ago, and I'm just like, for real.
Speaker A:It's just a conversation that's never really been had.
Speaker A:And like, to have that conversation with him, me and my brother were just like, what the.
Speaker A:Like, we kind of looked at each other was like, for real.
Speaker A:And it's just like, you know, and that's good.
Speaker A:Whereas, like, I know, like my mom, it.
Speaker A:If I.
Speaker A:If I'm gonna come to her for advice, I'm probably gonna come to her for advice about more emotional things, whereas Dad.
Speaker A:I would go to dad about more practical things, you know, and so.
Speaker A:But that all depends on how your parental situation is wired.
Speaker A:Because for some people, it could be exact opposite.
Speaker A:You know, it's as if, you know, like, you know, coming to mom about.
Speaker A:So, mom, what do you think about her, you know, after maybe they've had some time to spend?
Speaker A:She might have seen him a couple times.
Speaker A:Seen her a couple times, whatever.
Speaker A:See our interaction.
Speaker A:Because you never ask her on the freaking first time they meet.
Speaker A:Because.
Speaker D:I'm gonna give you some advice.
Speaker D:You never asked that question, period.
Speaker D:Because.
Speaker D:Because I'm gonna let you know.
Speaker D:Your mom gonna let you know whether you ask it.
Speaker D:My.
Speaker A:Strength.
Speaker A:True.
Speaker D:Whether she subtly lets you know or directly let you know, it will be obvious.
Speaker D:If you've got to ask the question, you already know the answer.
Speaker A:I mean, I'll be honest, man.
Speaker A:Sometimes.
Speaker A:Sometimes you ask just to make sure you're reading the room correctly.
Speaker D:Nah, you're asking because you're hoping you're wrong.
Speaker D:You're hoping you're misreading the room.
Speaker A:Nah, nah.
Speaker A:I can honestly say, say when I've asked that question about some people, I was making sure I was reading the room the way I was reading the room.
Speaker A:And I was, you know, I mean, hence, we've talked about numerous times on this show about the whole brother getting married incident.
Speaker A:Like, I just didn't know how deep that was.
Speaker D:Yeah, but you didn't ask her that.
Speaker D:That was an example of what I was saying.
Speaker D:Your mom clearly letting you know.
Speaker A:No, I asked her.
Speaker A:Her.
Speaker A:I asked her way before this.
Speaker A:Like, before that.
Speaker A:I was like, what do you think?
Speaker A:And she's like, you know, she's really nice, she's really smart, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:You know, all the.
Speaker A:I already knew, you know, because when it's all.
Speaker A:Like you said, when it's all said and done, you still want the approval.
Speaker A:To a point.
Speaker A:To a point.
Speaker A:Sometimes you may not get it and be like it.
Speaker A:I'm doing what I. I do what I want, you know, but there's a.
Speaker A:There's a point in time where I think we all search for some sort of approval, and if we don't get it, then we just make our own decisions.
Speaker A:And that's what it is.
Speaker A:You know, it's just.
Speaker A:Yeah, she was very happy for said person.
Speaker A:I didn't realize how happy she was with said person until that.
Speaker D:Incident.
Speaker D:That's interesting that you say that, because I tend to feel like, like most women seek approval.
Speaker D:I feel like I was almost raised and brought up to not seek my mom's approval.
Speaker D:Like, my mom was always like, hey, you the one that's got to sleep with him.
Speaker D:You the one that got.
Speaker D:So, like, whether my mom liked somebody or disliked somebody, I never was seeking input from her because I won't Never gonna get a good answer from her.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker A:And I guess that's.
Speaker A:I mean, once again, it just depends.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:And I got the same thing at the beginning.
Speaker A:The surface level was, well, you're the one who's got to sleep with her.
Speaker A:And then, like, you know, one day we just had a.
Speaker C:Very open conversation.
Speaker D:And I guess that's what I'm saying, because my mom.
Speaker D:When it comes to stuff like that, my mom is shallow as hell.
Speaker D:There is nothing below the surface.
Speaker D:That's it with her.
Speaker D:She's just like, hey, it don't matter if I like them.
Speaker D:You're the one that's gotta be with them.
Speaker A:I mean,.
Speaker D:Because I know people that my mom did like.
Speaker D:I know people that my mom clearly didn't like, but she wasn't gonna.
Speaker D:Either way, she won't go and step any different.
Speaker A:Well, yeah, no, I get that.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:And I mean, I could say that I don't know like.
Speaker A:But I could tell when my mom did like somebody,.
Speaker C:But I.
Speaker A:Didn't realize it was like that.
Speaker A:On the positive side, because that's.
Speaker A:Today is still like the.
Speaker A:I ain't never seen no like that.
Speaker A:And maybe because I'm just not paying attention, but I ain't never seen no like that.
Speaker A:And I was just kind of like.
Speaker D:Or maybe.
Speaker D:Maybe your mom was really just like, I gotta get this hitched.
Speaker D:Yeah, he.
Speaker D:He is.
Speaker D:He is taking too long.
Speaker D:I gotta make some happen.
Speaker D:I gotta get some shaking.
Speaker A:The crazy part about it is I wouldn't put that past her.
Speaker D:And you know what?
Speaker D:It could be all be above.
Speaker D:It could be a little bit above it.
Speaker D:Like, hey, she's cool.
Speaker D:He taking too long.
Speaker A:I mean, yeah, it could be.
Speaker A:I mean, ag.
Speaker A:You were there.
Speaker A:I mean,.
Speaker C:Well, I. I didn't.
Speaker C:I didn't understand anything about anything.
Speaker C:But I will say, the way that she put her on display.
Speaker F:Yes.
Speaker F:Oh, God.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker C:It was obvious that she felt strongly about this woman.
Speaker C:And she really thought that y' all were gonna go all the way because there's no way in the world.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's the same thing happened on the same day.
Speaker C:Cuz when Karen brought that dude, I.
Speaker C:We all thought, this guy has to be the one, because I know Karen's not bringing some rando here, but that's exactly what it was.
Speaker F:She brought a rando.
Speaker C:And it was like, I didn't.
Speaker C:I couldn't believe it.
Speaker C:But that's neither here nor there.
Speaker C:The bottom line is she brought somebody there.
Speaker C:And in our family, if you Bring in somebody to an event.
Speaker C:This person is at the very least special to you.
Speaker C:You.
Speaker C:So when I saw Shirley take this woman from table to table and introduce her, like she's trying to raise money or some politicking going on, I was like, reuben, are you seeing this, bro?
Speaker C:What in the world?
Speaker A:And my face was complete shock.
Speaker C:Yeah, it was.
Speaker C:And I'm like, you don't understand what's going on right now.
Speaker C:I have.
Speaker A:No idea.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker F:Just.
Speaker C:And I'm like, man, you.
Speaker C:You better open your eyes.
Speaker C:This.
Speaker C:Cuz I was thinking to myself, like, oh, this isn't just a girlfriend.
Speaker C:This is the heir apparent.
Speaker C:This is.
Speaker C:I'm about to get both of my kids.
Speaker C:So now all three of my boys are married.
Speaker C:And I mean, don't get me wrong, she wasn't doing it on purpose, but she kind of stole a little thunder doing what she did.
Speaker C:I mean, and I was like, Kevin's in the middle of getting married and aunt Shirley's doing, hey, this is so and so and so.
Speaker C:I'm like,.
Speaker F:Well, it was.
Speaker F:It was.
Speaker C:Holy cow.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker F:After all that.
Speaker F:But.
Speaker C:It.
Speaker C:It doesn't matter.
Speaker C:The.
Speaker C:The bottom line to me was that it was happening at all.
Speaker C:And I was like, wow, she must be really special.
Speaker C:So I was like, okay,.
Speaker A:Mo mo B.
Speaker A:The only thing was missing was a fat guy from coming to America singing the queen to be.
Speaker C:For real.
Speaker A:Like, it was, bro.
Speaker A:I was like, I love my mom, man.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker D:Once again, like me and A have talked about before, we don't understand how you didn't see that coming.
Speaker F:Cuz I ain't.
Speaker D:Never seen like.
Speaker F:That before.
Speaker C:And the other thing too, and this is not for nothing, bro, she wasn't.
Speaker C:She was black.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:And that matters.
Speaker C:Based on what you've told me secondhand about conversations that y' all have actually had and quoted your mom on things that she's actually said.
Speaker D:I didn't think about that aspect ag.
Speaker D:Ruben, you.
Speaker D:No,.
Speaker C:You were here the first time I said that you were here.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker D:What I'm saying.
Speaker D:I know, but I just thought about.
Speaker D:I'm like, yo, Ruben, you would like the church chosen one.
Speaker C:100%.
Speaker C:Cuz you're the only one now.
Speaker C:I mean, it.
Speaker D:Would.
Speaker D:You were the favorite.
Speaker D:You were the absolute favorite.
Speaker D:For a dick.
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker C:Because not only was.
Speaker C:I mean, I'm sure that the exception of a light skinned person would have been, you know, would have been fine.
Speaker C:But the idea that she was a brown person, like, bro, your brother's married a white Girl, your older brother's married to a very fair skinned woman.
Speaker C:It's like, I mean, dude, you didn't see this coming.
Speaker C:I still amazed that you didn't see all this.
Speaker D:Yeah, I'm gonna say, yeah, that, that was a, that's a miss on your part, man.
Speaker A:I mean, hey, I'll take that because I see that coming.
Speaker A:Not even close.
Speaker A:Not even close.
Speaker C:I remember it like it was yesterday because my table, our table was.
Speaker C:Everything that was happening was behind us.
Speaker C:So I turned my chair and I'm like, Aunt Shirley's just schlepping this woman around at each table, like, oh, Reuben about to get married.
Speaker C:Cause I hadn't really talked to you about it.
Speaker C:I had a conversation with her because we just met.
Speaker C:You were off doing some other stuff.
Speaker C:And so then after that, you know, we're all sitting down at the table and other things are happening.
Speaker C:I just happened to look up and look back and go, wow, Aunt Shirley's.
Speaker C:Oh, she must be like.
Speaker C:Cause I thought she was just a girlfriend.
Speaker C:No, this is about to be the one.
Speaker C:I thought you had a ring in your pocket, bro.
Speaker C:And the only reason it wasn't gonna happen that day is because you don't wanna steal any thunder from your brother.
Speaker C:Hell no.
Speaker C:And it was just like.
Speaker C:Cause I saw, I was like, this woman must be like, yo.
Speaker C:And for a mom to do that.
Speaker C:Cause my mama never liked nobody.
Speaker C:I don't remember one girlfriend that she actually liked.
Speaker C:And the one that I did think that she liked, she ain't like her.
Speaker C:My mom didn't like nobody.
Speaker C:And for so for a mom to do that, that's serious, man.
Speaker A:And that's when I realized that once again, because as we just talked about, we had the conversation.
Speaker A:Oh, I mean, you don't want to sleep with her.
Speaker A:Whatever, whatever.
Speaker A:That's all I got from mom at that moment.
Speaker A:However, after that, yeah, we had to have a follow up conversation because once again, I've been known not to be able to read the room properly.
Speaker D:What was there to discuss after.
Speaker A:Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
Speaker A:It's called verification.
Speaker A:It's verification, bro.
Speaker C:Just got verified, bro.
Speaker A:Hey, I need to double triple check this.
Speaker A:I. I just did.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker D:What it was so ag.
Speaker D:We splashed water on his face and Reuben was like, am I Wet?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah, 100%, bro.
Speaker C:If you had have been there that day, 100%,.
Speaker A:I could have crawled under the table, bro.
Speaker C:I mean, I hear what you're saying.
Speaker C:Like I said, man, two things that were major happened that day.
Speaker C:One Was real and one wasn't.
Speaker C:And it wasn't anything.
Speaker C:And, Kevin, this has nothing to do with your wedding.
Speaker C:I think it was a beautiful wedding.
Speaker C:I remember it like it was yesterday.
Speaker C:However, two things happened that day.
Speaker C:One was real and one wasn't.
Speaker C:Karen bringing that guy to.
Speaker C:That wasn't real.
Speaker C:What your mom did with old girl that day, that let me know everything I needed to know about how she felt about her personality, and that had nothing to do with you.
Speaker C:That had everything to do with what you try.
Speaker C:What.
Speaker C:What you felt like.
Speaker C:You need to verify, which is, do you like her?
Speaker C:Dude, if you didn't see whether she liked her or not.
Speaker C:Come on, bro.
Speaker C:I was 45 when I got married.
Speaker C:My mom at this point was.
Speaker C:She was like white girl or not.
Speaker C:Okay, whatever.
Speaker C:I'm just glad boy getting mad.
Speaker C:I mean, I really do feel like that's what my mom was.
Speaker C:Was.
Speaker C:This is not that, sir.
Speaker C:This is not that.
Speaker A:No, no, no, no.
Speaker C:So again, I. I am always amazed when we talk about this day that you did not see any of what we were saying.
Speaker A:I was so clueless.
Speaker C:You were, and I'm so sorry.
Speaker C:But I guess all of us have a moment.
Speaker C:I guess you had yours.
Speaker C:No,.
Speaker A:I was not.
Speaker A:It was probably the greatest thing ever for me that I was that clueless.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:Okay, well.
Speaker A:Because I don't know any other way I would have reacted.
Speaker C:Okay?
Speaker C:I. I mean, like I said, man, I mean, I don't know what to say.
Speaker C:I was.
Speaker F:About to go up and interrupt this.
Speaker C:Situation.
Speaker C:Well, of course not.
Speaker C:You couldn't do it anyway because she was halfway across the dining hall.
Speaker A:I mean, yeah, she was moving.
Speaker C:She.
Speaker C:Yeah, it was fast.
Speaker F:She was moved,.
Speaker C:Man.
Speaker C:She moved faster than Kevin and Cynthia, and they were the couples that were obligated to do so.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:Bruh, man, she.
Speaker C:Man, she spread like a disease.
Speaker C:I promise you.
Speaker C:She was taking her from table to table and introducing her by name to people on, you know, on y' all side of the family or whatever.
Speaker C:It was.
Speaker C:It was amazing.
Speaker C:I was like.
Speaker C:And like I said, from that information, I'm looking at.
Speaker C:I'm looking at it happen.
Speaker C:And I'm.
Speaker C:Oh, this is not just a girlfriend.
Speaker C:Apparently, Reuben didn't know that.
Speaker C:So I'm just letting you know, man.
Speaker A:Yeah,.
Speaker C:Like I said.
Speaker C:And it was a stark contrast to my own life because like I said before, I don't remember a girlfriend my mom actually liked.
Speaker C:Black or white or whatever.
Speaker C:She ain't like nobody.
Speaker A:Because literally, that is the first time that I can see her and say that she, in whatever way she chose to express that she liked anybody I ever dated.
Speaker A:Not that I dated a whole bunch of women, but she met the majority of women that I did date.
Speaker A:And that was a huge expression of how she felt about it.
Speaker A:And that's why I was just kind of like, yeah, yeah, man.
Speaker A:It was one of those.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker D:My mom has shown.
Speaker D:I never know if my mom likes people or she likes me.
Speaker D:No, no, let me explain.
Speaker D:So are you.
Speaker F:Talking about other female variety?
Speaker D:No, no.
Speaker D:Just.
Speaker D:Just like, I'm not sure if she likes.
Speaker D:If she liked any of the women I dated or if she just.
Speaker D:Or if her reaction was based on me.
Speaker D:Because, like, I clearly know a couple women she didn't like.
Speaker D:But one that was like.
Speaker D:Like one of her favorites was weird because it was like, I didn't really date her long.
Speaker D:And then, like, she, like, loved her even more after she knew we weren't dating.
Speaker D:And I was like, that was really weird.
Speaker D:Really weird.
Speaker D:She was like, oh, I don't know why.
Speaker D:She's like, you know, she's my favorite.
Speaker D:I'm just like, you saw me with her, like, one time.
Speaker D:Like, one time, like, how.
Speaker D:How did we get here?
Speaker D:How do we get here?
Speaker D:And then, hey, Max.
Speaker D:Ashley.
Speaker D:I didn't know how my mom felt about Ashley, but then I realized I thought she liked Ashley.
Speaker D:And then I'm like, no, I don't think she likes Ashley.
Speaker D:I think she likes me, and I think she likes what she saw in me.
Speaker D:I think the way I acted towards Ashley was the first time my mom saw me act like she wanted me to act towards a woman I was serious about.
Speaker D:Up.
Speaker D:She saw, like, the protective nature me.
Speaker D:Me talking and the me, like, going out of my way to do things.
Speaker D:I think my mom looked at.
Speaker D:It was like, all right, I like you.
Speaker D:I like what you're doing now.
Speaker D:You're.
Speaker D:You don't.
Speaker D:You don't seem like an ain't right now.
Speaker D:I'm just.
Speaker D:Look, man, if.
Speaker D:If I'm being 100% honest, a lot of what my mom did was English there shaping me to be, like, the most honest pimp or just somebody not like my dad.
Speaker D:So I think when she saw me not looking like him, she was like, hey, I like this.
Speaker D:This is cool.
Speaker D:So I think she embraced Ashley a lot because of that.
Speaker D:And then even after I broke up with Ashley, she was like, I love the.
Speaker D:She.
Speaker D:She said that to me one time.
Speaker D:She was.
Speaker D:I love the fact that even though you're not with her, I know you Would never let anything bad happen to me.
Speaker D:Her.
Speaker D:And I was like, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker D:And then, then she lived with Ashley.
Speaker D:Ashley lived with her for a little while.
Speaker D:And she looked at me with a whole different level of respect because she was just like, man, you're a patient.
Speaker D:You're a patient guy.
Speaker D:I raised the patient's son.
Speaker D:Raised the patient son.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, look this.
Speaker D:By the time I got to.
Speaker D:By the time I got to my wife, Winter, when I realized my mom respected her, that was a hard work.
Speaker D:Because mom might say she's not, but my mom don't really do well with the, like, showing respect to other people when it comes to, like, power dynamics.
Speaker D:And when she would ask me a question like, hey, what does winner think about this?
Speaker D:To me, in my head, I'm like, oh, you respect her?
Speaker D:Cuz you would have never asked for anybody else's opinion on anything back in the day.
Speaker D:You'd have just shown up and did some like.
Speaker D:Now even when she comes over, she.
Speaker D:She's like, hey, I'm gonna come over.
Speaker D:Is that all right?
Speaker D:And I'm like, who are you asking?
Speaker D:And she's like, make sure it's all right.
Speaker D:What?
Speaker D:I'm like, okay, you respect her, Cool.
Speaker D:That's all that matters to me.
Speaker D:Cuz like, you might never like her, but the respect is because respect is what matters to her.
Speaker D:Because my mom was saying, I don't care if people like her.
Speaker D:My mom, like, I don't care if people like me or not.
Speaker D:I just want you to show me some respect there.
Speaker D:That's kind of where I'm at.
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Speaker F:So independent women.
Speaker A:Are there such a thing?
Speaker A:And how does that delve into them being a partner?
Speaker A:Is it even possible for a quote unquote independent woman to really be a partner?
Speaker A:Or is that something they need to change in themselves?
Speaker A:Or is that something that men need to embrace?
Speaker D:None of that.
Speaker D:I. I don't.
Speaker D:I don't think women need to not be independent.
Speaker D:I think women need to stop throwing it at me because like, most guys.
Speaker D:Let me not say that.
Speaker D:Because there are some guys that want to be a captain saber, though.
Speaker D:They.
Speaker D:They really want a woman who can't do for themselves without them.
Speaker D:There are some guys that like that.
Speaker D:I just.
Speaker D:I'm not.
Speaker D:It'd be disingenuous for me to say that those guys don't exist.
Speaker D:But most like balance.
Speaker D:Normal functioning men don't want to depend it.
Speaker D:So we do want an independent person.
Speaker D:We just don't want you to constantly remind us that you're independent at every turn because you gotta be a partner in some capacity if you're gonna be together.
Speaker D:And that doesn't.
Speaker D:Like, I don't do the whole submissive.
Speaker D:Like, I hate that because I don't necessarily need anyone to be submissive.
Speaker D:I need you to respect me enough to listen.
Speaker D:You don't have to do what I say all the time.
Speaker D:You don't have to follow my lead all the time.
Speaker D:But you gotta respect me enough to listen to me and truly listen to me.
Speaker D:Because you hear women all the time.
Speaker D:They do little clips or.
Speaker D:Well, if your man told you to.
Speaker D:Why would a man tell me to do anything?
Speaker D:I'm not gonna listen to anything.
Speaker D:A man's name.
Speaker D:Like, what the are we doing?
Speaker D:Like, what are we doing?
Speaker D:I get it.
Speaker D:If you're like, I'm not gonna let no man tell me what to do all the time.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker D:Who.
Speaker D:But if you just gonna say, I'm not gonna listen to a man, period, then why are you dating anyone you're gonna date?
Speaker D:You're gonna be with somebody that you never listen to.
Speaker D:That makes no sense.
Speaker D:But you want him to be.
Speaker D:You want him to be dominant and be on his.
Speaker D:I want him to be able to lead.
Speaker D:How the can I leave somebody who won't listen?
Speaker D:Like, it's.
Speaker D:It's the test, man.
Speaker D:Like, like, and I feel confident about this test.
Speaker D:Like, I'm like, yo, man, I know I can be walking down the street with my wife, and if I grab her arm and say, let's go.
Speaker D:Like, with an aggressive tone, like, our lives depend on it.
Speaker D:I'm not gonna get no question.
Speaker D:We gonna go.
Speaker D:That's safety.
Speaker D:Like, I need to know that you're not gonna put my life in danger because you won't listen if.
Speaker D:If some shit's about to go down and I'm like, yo, we gotta go.
Speaker D:And you're like, why we gotta go?
Speaker D:Why are you talking to me like that?
Speaker D:You ain't gotta say it like that.
Speaker D:We both gonna die now.
Speaker F:That we both don't die.
Speaker D:Or.
Speaker D:Or you're gonna die, and I'm gonna be the dude that left you, which is going to make me look bad.
Speaker D:But I look alive.
Speaker C:But I look alive.
Speaker C:That's hilarious.
Speaker F:Did you do.
Speaker A:That?
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:And I'm still here to talk about how bad it was that I did that.
Speaker D:Hey, I told her.
Speaker D:Come on.
Speaker A:Say hey.
Speaker C:I told.
Speaker C:I told her.
Speaker C:Come on.
Speaker A:And she wanted to talk, man.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:This guy right here.
Speaker A:Here.
Speaker A:Ah, awesome.
Speaker A:Ag.
Speaker A:Anything.
Speaker C:After all that, I only got one thing to say.
Speaker C:I think as far as the original question goes, I think men aren't allowed to talk about stressful things like financial issues, because when men talk about it, it tends to make the entire family or your girl or your wife feel insane safe.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker C:And so men are.
Speaker C:Because of that concept, men don't talk about a lot of things because the first time a dude says, you know, you know, it'd be nice if you stop buying so much Amazon.
Speaker C:Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
Speaker C:Then it's.
Speaker C:It opens up a whole bunch of things and none of it is a stress reliever.
Speaker C:Women have the power to talk about things to death and create more stress without having to do anything about it.
Speaker C:It like.
Speaker C:Like a woman could talk about when a woman.
Speaker C:I mean, because it's like, women can talk about finances and they're in year, and you're the only one that's got to figure out how you gonna get this money.
Speaker C:She's still buying stuff at the same pace.
Speaker C:Her life isn't changing.
Speaker C:You're the only one trying to figure this out.
Speaker C:That's why men don't talk about it.
Speaker C:That's why I'm gonna say that's why.
Speaker C:But that's one of the reasons why.
Speaker C:Because all you're doing, for most women, all you're doing is adding more stress to your plate that you didn't need.
Speaker C:Because at the end of the day, you're still trying to figure out how to get this money, and you're still not confident enough in your woman to think that she can dial it down and still love you.
Speaker C:Because the way women comport themselves, honestly, I don't think that they can love you the same if you ain't got the same amount of money that they're used for you to have.
Speaker C:Have.
Speaker C:They're used to you having unless you step it up.
Speaker C:I think the sex is different when you.
Speaker C:You.
Speaker C:When you're not making that money.
Speaker C:I think if she cooks it all, I think that the dinners are a little different.
Speaker C:I think rich guys have it better.
Speaker C:I just.
Speaker C:Based on behavior and end result.
Speaker C:Behavior.
Speaker C:Those are some of the things that'll keep a dude quiet.
Speaker C:Quiet.
Speaker C:That's that simple to me.
Speaker C:So now, as far, I will say, with the moms and girlfriends thing, I thought it was a.
Speaker C:A strange dichotomy that, you know, I've never had this, but I've certainly heard about situations like y' all have been in where the mom likes somebody that you don't date anymore, and you had good reason not to date them anymore.
Speaker C:Anymore.
Speaker C:My question to y' all is, and this just dawned on me in the last 20 minutes, just listening, do you think she's met somebody that she sees herself in?
Speaker C:Like, who is she?
Speaker C:She meaning, like, when your mom looks at a girlfriend of yours and she likes her a lot, do you think that your mom is seeing some of herself in her or not?
Speaker C:Meaning that she doesn't like her even though you married her?
Speaker C:So it's just like, I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, wait a minute.
Speaker C:Is the mom seeing something favorable that reminds her of herself through another human being?
Speaker C:So I instantly like this person, whether she's dating my son or not.
Speaker C:So if she's dating my son, it's gotta be great because I'm his mom and I treated him the same way because I have the same behaviors and the same outlook on life.
Speaker C:So I like her or I don't like her, but she's perfect.
Speaker C:Because there are no traits that this woman has that your mom has.
Speaker C:And so instantly, they don't get along.
Speaker C:Even though she is perfect for yourself, son, do you think that there's something to that?
Speaker A:I'll speak first on that.
Speaker A:I think that it's a. I think that it's a combination of that.
Speaker A:And I think that my mom.
Speaker A:My mom knows me, and she knows, for the most part, she knows shit I like and she knows shit I don't like.
Speaker A:So, like, I think it gets to.
Speaker A:I think with my mom is To a point where.
Speaker A:I think it was.
Speaker A:To a point where it's like, okay, is this girl a woman is going to be able to deal with me at my corporation works.
Speaker A:Is she going to be able to like, is she a positive in his life?
Speaker A:I think, I think when my mom, because I would sit here and say there were some things that they were similar in, but then there were some things they were not like completely different, which is probably some of the stuff I liked and stuff.
Speaker A:So I, I think, I think it's a, it's a double edged sword with that.
Speaker A:I think, I think when moms know, especially their sons, when moms know their sons, I feel like it's more of a, okay, can she measure up?
Speaker A:Because I know, I know what my son is going to do.
Speaker A:I am very, you know, I'm well versed in my son.
Speaker A:So I know what he is good at, what he is not good at, his positives, his negatives, what he needs to work on, what he's never going to work.
Speaker F:On.
Speaker A:And stuff like that.
Speaker A:So I would sit here and say.
Speaker F:For my mom, that's probably where that is.
Speaker A:Because like my mom knows like what's never going to happen is probably me getting on a cruise that ain't never gonna happen.
Speaker A:But if she knew I was dating someone who could get me to that point, she would probably be like, that's a check in a good box.
Speaker A:Because she knows if it's my, if it's me, I ain't never gonna know like what a single screws by myself.
Speaker A:Man, you can suck all the dick on that.
Speaker A:That ain't happening.
Speaker A:I'm not even getting up there, much less pay for it.
Speaker A:So like, yeah, I think I would say for me, because I know my mom, she's more about is she gonna be a positive for him and what he, and what he does is he gonna have.
Speaker A:Is she gonna help straighten him out on certain things but also be a support and other things that he's good at.
Speaker A:That's what I was would say.
Speaker A:Cuz my y' all know my mom, My mom's, I mean my mom's kind of straightforward, but she's nice about it to y'.
Speaker A:All.
Speaker A:She ain't that nice to me about it.
Speaker A:I mean just like Mobies like her, you know, like, don't get it twisted.
Speaker A:My mom's a nice woman and she's not like mean in front of like, she's not like mean or, or whatever.
Speaker A:But you know, I know I get my sarcasm from my mother and I'll just leave it there.
Speaker C:I just learned something about Australia I never knew just right then.
Speaker C:I never knew that.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:All I know is your mom don't think I can cuss.
Speaker C:And every time I think about that, it's so funny.
Speaker C:She didn't think.
Speaker A:Any of us can.
Speaker A:And that's, and that's already.
Speaker A:That's, and that's, and that's, that's what you should know.
Speaker A:She's going to tell the truth and she's going to be, she's nice about it because my mom is, is not, she's not using profanity.
Speaker A:You know, she is a, a God fearing woman and, and she loves her church and her family.
Speaker A:However, I feel confident, like we talked about earlier, if I knew she did not act like she absolutely hated somebody I dated, she would let me know.
Speaker A:She has never let me know.
Speaker D:Like I said, absolutely.
Speaker A:Hated.
Speaker D:Established that early on.
Speaker D:I'm like, look, you gonna know if your mom don't like somebody, you gonna know.
Speaker A:I mean, she might not have been happy about certain things, but I also ain't bringing around luck, man.
Speaker D:Once again, not being happy about certain things is different than I don't like her.
Speaker A:Yeah, I don't ever do that.
Speaker A:I ain't never bring some woman around.
Speaker A:Man, you crazy.
Speaker A:Your face.
Speaker A:Because I got too many, I got, look, man, I got too many people on my mom's side of the family that would tell me to my face that she ain't.
Speaker A:And like, yeah, that's, that's how, that's how my family rolls.
Speaker A:Now, AG's Southern family, they're much nicer than that.
Speaker A:But my cousins will tell me, yo, yo, Lamont, I don't know, man.
Speaker A:She, she might not.
Speaker A:She, she, I, but, you know, I don't know.
Speaker A:What do you mean you don't know?
Speaker A:That's all I'm gonna say, man.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:It's like, what the.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker C:It's not being mean.
Speaker C:Actually, that's kind of soft.
Speaker A:No, I'm not, yeah, it's like you're trying to tell me, but you're not gonna tell me.
Speaker C:I mean, because it's your business.
Speaker C:But at the same time, it's like, love you, bro.
Speaker C:It's like, I gotta, I have to say this.
Speaker A:Yeah,.
Speaker C:But I, I, it's not to the point to where I'm gonna just unload because now, honestly, I don't really like saying it because if it's not my mom, because my mom and my dad can't like, I mean, they could if they really wanted to go through the legal process, but they can't just cut me off.
Speaker C:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker C:But if it's your cousin or your friend, you can cost yourself a relationship forever by saying something.
Speaker C:You know what I mean?
Speaker C:So be careful.
Speaker C:Oh,.
Speaker A:Man.
Speaker C:So that's kind of where that.
Speaker C:That's why I said that's a little soft.
Speaker C:That's not really harsh,.
Speaker A:Bro.
Speaker A:The aunts.
Speaker A:My aunts in my family.
Speaker C:Oh, they have no fear.
Speaker C:They'll kill you.
Speaker A:Oh, my mom's not bad.
Speaker C:100.
Speaker A:Ain't.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Like, straight up.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker A:Why are you bringing that around?
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker C:You.
Speaker A:Wouldn't say.
Speaker A:He wouldn't say her.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:Wow,.
Speaker A:Bro.
Speaker C:And reduce it to a preposition.
Speaker C:Bro,.
Speaker A:I. I love my family, man.
Speaker A:But, yo, that's.
Speaker A:That's what it is, bro.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's how you know.
Speaker A:Yeah, man.
Speaker A:I can't bring her around no more.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:You got to chop that off.
Speaker A:That relationship's over.
Speaker A:Move on.
Speaker D:That's funny that we're only talking about, like, what the women say.
Speaker D:The family, cuz.
Speaker D:Like, the.
Speaker D:The men, we.
Speaker D:We looking at one thing.
Speaker D:Like, my.
Speaker D:My uncles just.
Speaker D:I see you.
Speaker D:Yeah, I see you.
Speaker A:Like, when you walk.
Speaker A:When.
Speaker C:You walk by.
Speaker C:When.
Speaker C:When you walk by pound that.
Speaker C:My.
Speaker C:My uncle's about to pound, man.
Speaker C:When you get the pound, that means that's.
Speaker C:That's a plus.
Speaker C:Keep it.
Speaker C:Keep it up.
Speaker C:Like,.
Speaker F:You know, now.
Speaker D:I remember my uncle J saw Ashley.
Speaker D:He just looked at me.
Speaker D:He was like, I understand.
Speaker D:That's literally all my Uncle Junior said.
Speaker D:I understand.
Speaker D:I was just like, hey, I mean, cool.
Speaker D:All right.
Speaker D:I guess.
Speaker D:Because the year before, I had brought a different ex around who he had given a hard time, but he.
Speaker D:He actually liked her.
Speaker D:And then when Ashley came around, he looked at me.
Speaker D:I understand.
Speaker D:As if he was saying, I see what you did there, player.
Speaker F:That's right.
Speaker D:And we approved.
Speaker D:The family delegation.
Speaker D:Would like you to know, keep playing.
Speaker F:We draft her.
Speaker F:It's cool.
Speaker F:So,.
Speaker A:Yeah, it.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker F:Because.
Speaker D:My mom.
Speaker D:I don't know if I would say the same thing that you would say about your mom, like, because I don't know what.
Speaker D:And I've often.
Speaker D:This might be my own personal bias, though, like, when it comes to, like, older women in general.
Speaker D:Like, I've rarely.
Speaker D:I rarely see women approach or look at younger women and see themselves in younger women.
Speaker D:I feel like women always see themselves as younger women, but they don't see themselves in younger women.
Speaker D:I feel like that's a male thing.
Speaker D:Like, as an older guy, when I see a.
Speaker D:Like, I coach.
Speaker D: So when I see a: Speaker D:I'll see myself in them.
Speaker D:But I don't believe that winner sees women carrying Cadence's age and goes, I see myself in them.
Speaker D:I don't.
Speaker D:I just.
Speaker D:Maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker D:I just don't see it.
Speaker D:So, like, I, I think my mom has always just approached any woman I brought in my life.
Speaker D:My mom respects people who are willing to, who are willing to put in.
Speaker D:So, like, one of the reasons she liked the one girl that I didn't even date for that long is because, like, she was a year older than me, you know, so she's like a junior in high school, I'm about to be a sophomore, and we're supposed to go out on a date.
Speaker D:And.
Speaker D:And of course my cousin bailed on me because he was supposed to be my ride.
Speaker D:So my mom and my grandma ended up driving us on a date, like, took us to the place, and she was cool with it.
Speaker D:My mom was just like, yo, man, the fact that she was like, she ain't give you no hard time about it.
Speaker D:She was just cool.
Speaker D:Like, my mom disrespected the grind.
Speaker D:Like, there's nobody in this world that my mom respects more, like, in my life than my wife, because she sees all the stuff that she does for me.
Speaker D:Like, it's not even about, I like her.
Speaker D:It's like, no, I like her because I see what she's willing to do.
Speaker D:And that, that goes farther than any, like, niceties with, with my mom, which I love about my mom, because in many ways, it's kind of how I operate too.
Speaker D:It's kind of what I'm constantly trying to tell my kids.
Speaker D:One of my daughters is really always concerned with people liking her.
Speaker D:And I'm just like, if people like you be around people that respect you, people like you, like, you want to be around people that respect you, there's a difference.
Speaker D:There's a lot of people that act that are like, you respect you, and those ain't the people you want to be around.
Speaker F:Correct.
Speaker D:So, yeah, I think my mom's always gave me my life based on do.
Speaker D:I think this, this woman would go through the fire for my son and then on vert.
Speaker D:But more importantly, she looks at me and goes, would he actually do it for her?
Speaker D:Because like I said, I. I really believe that she started to like one of my ex, Ashley, because wish she saw me do one for her.
Speaker D:She was like, yeah, I like.
Speaker D:And Maybe in her way, she was like, hey, any woman that makes you do better is worth being around.
Speaker D:Yeah, maybe she.
Speaker D:Maybe she was deep and profound on a level that I was not even prepared to grasp at the time.
Speaker D:And she didn't call her he.
Speaker D:So.
Speaker C:Did she call her hussy?
Speaker D:No.
Speaker C:Nothing.
Speaker D:No he, no heifer.
Speaker D:I love.
Speaker C:That hussy, man.
Speaker D:The previous one got.
Speaker D:Got all type of heifers and hussies, but.
Speaker C:So she got all the names.
Speaker A:That's how, you know it was time for her to go.
Speaker C:Got the heifer and the hussy.
Speaker D:Oh, one.
Speaker D:One cool thing.
Speaker D:Like, so the ex I'm talking about, we call he.
Speaker D:Like, me and her broke up, and I hadn't really been talking to her, but she.
Speaker D:I guess he was trying to call me.
Speaker D:And this.
Speaker D:This is back in the house phone days, so, you know, somebody gotta pick up the phone.
Speaker D:So my mom.
Speaker D:I remember listening to my mom talk to E's mom about her.
Speaker D:It was like, you know, that hussy gonna call me and get all night nice with me.
Speaker D:Call me.
Speaker D:Ms. Brown asked me how I was doing.
Speaker D:Like, like, I'm gonna help this heifer out.
Speaker D:I was just like, yo, she got a name?
Speaker D:You know her name?
Speaker C:Those were the names, sir.
Speaker C:Those are the names, sir.
Speaker F:That was.
Speaker F:That showed you how much she.
Speaker A:Disrespected her.
Speaker D:This heifer gonna get all nice with me, like, I' ma help her out or something.
Speaker D:I told.
Speaker D:I told that hustle.
Speaker D:I don't know where he at.
Speaker D:He probably with somebody else.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Damn.
Speaker A:And she blew up your spot.
Speaker A:That's foul.
Speaker C:She didn't blow up his spot.
Speaker C:They ain't together.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, there's a reason for that.
Speaker D:But.
Speaker D:But here's the thing.
Speaker D:I know she did not say that to her.
Speaker D:I know she probably was just like, no, he's not here.
Speaker D:I'll let him know you.
Speaker D:But I.
Speaker D:She didn't say that to her.
Speaker D:But, like, when she talked about, say, Eve's mom, you know, the cackling women.
Speaker D:Oh, man, it was all type of heifers and hussy.
Speaker D:I was like, man, like, you know her name, man.
Speaker D:You know her name.
Speaker A:Did she really?
Speaker A:Oh,.
Speaker D:She clearly.
Speaker A:Not.
Speaker D:She definitely knew her name.
Speaker F:No, but I mean, like, she knew her name, but.
Speaker A:She didn't respect it.
Speaker A:She was like, yeah, this.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:This chick's game is.
Speaker A:Is.
Speaker A:Is whack.
Speaker D:Like, she lost naming rights when we broke up.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker D:Right.
Speaker D:You lost name, image, and likeness.
Speaker A:The only reason why she called her name because you were there.
Speaker D:Yeah, you.
Speaker D:You.
Speaker D:You are now known as Heffa Hussy.
Speaker A:I mean, look, I'd.
Speaker D:Rather sometimes both.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker D:Which is.
Speaker D:I just want to know.
Speaker D:That was impressive when you call her a heifer and a hussy.
Speaker D:Like,.
Speaker A:I mean,.
Speaker D:You know.
Speaker D:You know, this hussy ass, he.
Speaker A:But.
Speaker A:But here's the thing.
Speaker D:No, no, no, no.
Speaker D:Here's the thing.
Speaker D:I've heard my mom say that exact statement.
Speaker D:Not.
Speaker D:Not talking about my ass, but say hussy ass, hea.
Speaker D:Which always made me realize if.
Speaker D:If you saying hussy and hea.
Speaker D:Because you don't want to say more derogatory ladies,.
Speaker A:Like a.
Speaker D:Why.
Speaker D:Why are you saying ass in between?
Speaker D:Tweet, like so.
Speaker D:So that's okay.
Speaker A:Because ass moby, and you got to link the together or it don't work.
Speaker A:That's just English.
Speaker D:Hoe.
Speaker D:Or if you use it in the correct context.
Speaker A:But it's easy just to call her half a hussy, and then she ain't got to worry about, like, I ain't mean to cuss Lord.
Speaker A:I'm just saying, like, hey, I mean, yeah, yeah, you better get.
Speaker A:You better get that half that line, bro.
Speaker A:That's all I'm saying.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I heard my mom say husty a half a long time.
Speaker D:So, like, I said, hey, that's a good thing.
Speaker D:We win it.
Speaker D:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker D:We.
Speaker C:Win it.
Speaker D:There has been no instance that I brought up in my mom's life in which she's felt the need to refer to anybody in my life as a huffer, heifer, or hussy.
Speaker D:I'm doing pretty good, man.
Speaker F:That means you winning, sir.
Speaker D:Yeah, I'm doing pretty good, man.
Speaker F:Good stuff.
Speaker F:Good stuff, Ag, man.
Speaker F:What's on your mind?
Speaker C:The Senate race in Michigan, l. Said versus Mike Rogers.
Speaker C:Now.
Speaker F:Everybody.
Speaker C:Huh?
Speaker F:Against everybody.
Speaker C:Against everybody.
Speaker C:What do you mean?
Speaker F:I mean, that's what it feels like.
Speaker F:Like, is him versus the.
Speaker A:Whole Republican Party.
Speaker C:Well, here's the thing.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker A:Got worse.
Speaker D:Here's the ones that want to call him a terrorist.
Speaker C:Man, that's just L hanging fruit.
Speaker C:This guy's the smartest one in the room.
Speaker C:But anyway, I will say this Eliad is kind of missing it because Mike Rogers, you can say what he wants, what you want to say about him, you'd probably be correct.
Speaker C:But he has embraced the black community to get these votes where El Sayed has not.
Speaker C:And the reason I'm bringing this up is because the relationship between Muslims and black people in this area of Michigan, in The inner city in Dearborn in Detroit is strained to say the least.
Speaker C:And the idea that he is not looking these brown black people in the face, shaking hands or whatever it is to sure up their vote, I think he's missing it.
Speaker C:And I would hate to see this dude lose because he took for granted that black people was going to put all their issues down to vote for him.
Speaker C:Which I understand why he would think that, that.
Speaker C:But don't leave it to chance, sir.
Speaker F:Is that what he's thinking, you think?
Speaker C:Well, again, I don't know what he's thinking, but I know the end.
Speaker D:Result.
Speaker D:I think he's trying, I think he's trying to take the high road on, on to every issue.
Speaker D:And I don't think he's really leaned into the, hey, I'm part of the black and brown community.
Speaker D:He seems to just be defending that.
Speaker D:He's like,.
Speaker F:Not Trump.
Speaker D:Constitution and not Trump Trump.
Speaker D:And you know, yes, I'm a Muslim, but I'm, I'm trying to be a senator first.
Speaker D:And I kind of, I understand what you're saying Ag, like, it's like he's not leaning into enough.
Speaker D:Like, hey man, you know, the other side is really being doing harmful things to all people who are not white.
Speaker D:Not, not just Muslim, not just black people.
Speaker D:Like, he's not doing a lot to, and, and a lot of Democratic Party, sometimes they just take the black vote for granted.
Speaker D:Not, not saying that black voters should vote Republican in a lot of these instances.
Speaker D:But when you don't excite them and they don't show up, like the only way you lose is when we don't show up.
Speaker C:And that's my fear because like I said, he's not.
Speaker C:The, the history between black and Muslim is, is long and deep.
Speaker C:And a lot of people don't know about that because we don't live in the area.
Speaker C:But I'm telling you, if he misses the boat on this and people maybe don't get mad, but they get apathetic because they're mad he could lose.
Speaker C:He could lose to a dude that's saying the same things, that's believing in the same things, that would vote the same way, that you may as well get lynched outside of a police department.
Speaker C:He's that guy.
Speaker C:I can tell who he is.
Speaker C:But the idea that he is still going to these black enclaves and making sure he's shaking hands and whatever it is, you might think it's not real and it's not.
Speaker C:I agree.
Speaker C:But it will still solidify.
Speaker C:Who would Vote for him anyway, and it might turn some people that are on the fence, and those might be the, those, those votes might be the difference because it's tight.
Speaker C:This ain't like somebody's running away with it.
Speaker C:So again, understanding your history could help you.
Speaker C:I just don't think he really understands his history.
Speaker C:If he did, he would spend more time with black people to make sure that, hey, we on the same page.
Speaker C:I know we don't get along or whatever it is.
Speaker C:I get that.
Speaker C:But we need to come together to beat that guy.
Speaker D:Common enemy, man.
Speaker D:Got, you got.
Speaker D:You got to make sure that you identify the common enemy.
Speaker C:100.
Speaker C:But he's not doing a very good job of making sure that everybody's on the same page.
Speaker C:So I just, I hope he gets it together.
Speaker C:Or if he doesn't, I hope he wins.
Speaker C:But people need to stop taking the black vote for granted, I'm telling you.
Speaker C:But anyway, that's what's on mine.
Speaker C:So I'm curious to see what's gonna happen on Wednesday in Michigan, because if this dude loses, I, I can almost guarantee you, you could point back to what I'm saying as why he lost or one of the contributing factors of why he lost.
Speaker C:So that's what's on my mind.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker A:Moby, what's on your mind, man?
Speaker D:All right, man.
Speaker D:So, Reuben, I'm gonna apologize to you in advance for this, but I just want to welcome everybody to the official start of the Christmas holiday.
Speaker D:It is November 1st, and you know what I'm saying, already in, you know what I'm saying, went to, went to Home Depot, Lowe's got some of the Christmas decorations.
Speaker D:Went to Walmart, got some of the Christmas decorations.
Speaker D:We locked in, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker D:We are officially in Christmas season.
Speaker D:I know, you know, we gotta talk about some Native Americans, you know, keeping white people alive later on this morning month.
Speaker D:But you know what I'm saying, that's just, that's just a warm up for Christmas, baby.
Speaker D:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker D:That's pre, that's pre Christmas.
Speaker D:Thanksgiving is just pre Christmas dinner.
Speaker D:That's all.
Speaker D:And, and we are locked in.
Speaker D:Reuben.
Speaker D:I didn't start listening to Christmas music.
Speaker D:You know, my wife asked me, she's like, we, she's like, we're gonna listen to Christmas music.
Speaker D:Bridge too far, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker D:I'm not, I'm not ready.
Speaker D:How.
Speaker C:Does that become a bridge too far?
Speaker D:Hey, look, man, because I, I love the idea of the Christmas lights and Everything.
Speaker D:But I'm still not ready to hear Christmas music because I don't want to hear all I want for Christmas this Earth.
Speaker D:Actually, you actually.
Speaker C:Don't want to hear it at all.
Speaker D:Actually don't ever want to hear it.
Speaker D:But I got like a two week, like, capacity for that, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker D:Like, two weeks before Christmas, it's going to play ad nauseam.
Speaker D:I'm going to deal with it because I'm going to be so happy about all the other things that come with Christmas.
Speaker D:Christmas.
Speaker D:I just kind of give this a pass, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker D:I like everything that comes with the Christmas part.
Speaker D:But you know, I gotta do like, yo, man, we were looking at Christmas trees and she was like, I like this Christmas tree.
Speaker D:Like, why?
Speaker D:She's like, it reminds me of like the Christmas tree that Mariah Carey had to move.
Speaker D:I was like, yo, stop it, stop it.
Speaker D:Like, why are you doing this?
Speaker D:Like, yo, don't.
Speaker D:Whose kid are you?
Speaker D:Like, I was looking around like, whose man's is this?
Speaker D:Like, know.
Speaker F:Mariah, get the out of here.
Speaker F:You're.
Speaker C:Disowned.
Speaker C:Come on, man, don't take it like that.
Speaker D:When they, when they were kids, man, when they were younger, man, they.
Speaker D:They could listen to that song on repeat,.
Speaker C:Man.
Speaker C:That song is fire, man.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:It should be learned.
Speaker D:Ag.
Speaker D:I will acknowledge that it is a super, super catchy holiday song.
Speaker D:It's a great holiday song.
Speaker C:100.
Speaker D:The first thousand times you hear it after that, it starts to have some depreciating value.
Speaker D:Every time.
Speaker C:Come on, man.
Speaker D:Every time I hear it, the value depreciates.
Speaker D:Just.
Speaker D:And by the time I'm like 50, like, I'm gonna be ready to burn everything associated with that song there.
Speaker D:I need my kids to get out of the house.
Speaker D:Because once they get out of the house, I will never hear that song in my house again.
Speaker D:I will make it.
Speaker C:That's not true.
Speaker C:That's not true.
Speaker D:I will make it a point.
Speaker D:Az.
Speaker D:I will turn.
Speaker D:I will.
Speaker D:I will call Dominion Power myself and be like, turn this off.
Speaker D:We are not doing this.
Speaker C:What about, what about, what about when you're watching?
Speaker C:Like, like, okay, I'll give you an example.
Speaker C:We have a night off and you're watching Monday Night Football.
Speaker C:And it's towards.
Speaker C:It's like right at Christmas, the Sunday before Christmas, the Sunday after Christmas, and on a commercial break, they play that song.
Speaker D:See,.
Speaker C:You're gonna passively hear it.
Speaker C:You're gonna do it.
Speaker C:You're.
Speaker D:Gonna do it.
Speaker D:I'm Already ahead of you.
Speaker D:Like when I start watching TV during the holidays part when a commercial.
Speaker D:Commercial getting ready to come on.
Speaker D:Like, as soon as it kicks, I'm putting the in mute.
Speaker D:I got closed capture.
Speaker D:I know when comes back.
Speaker C:Come on, man.
Speaker C:I don't know why you got all this hate in your heart, man.
Speaker D:No, no, don't.
Speaker F:Let it out.
Speaker F:Don't let.
Speaker D:It out.
Speaker D:I don't have hate in my heart towards this song yet.
Speaker C:He's just so.
Speaker C:So you're so.
Speaker C:Your threshold is the first thousand times.
Speaker D:Once again.
Speaker D:Again.
Speaker D:I got two weeks shelf life, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker D:Like, two weeks up in the Christmas and through Christmas, I'll just.
Speaker D:I'll eat it.
Speaker D:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker D:I'll just eat it.
Speaker D:But then I'm like, hey, man, we can't do this no more, man.
Speaker D:I feel like.
Speaker D:Or.
Speaker D:Or I gotta do such a good job of balancing out, like, my music to the point where, like, every time I hear that, that I gotta, like, instantly play in my mind.
Speaker D:I gotta just keep that on my Spotify, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker C:So you gotta cleanse your palate once you hear it.
Speaker D:Yep.
Speaker D:And you know what?
Speaker D:I'm not even gonna listen to the whole song.
Speaker D:I'm just gonna listen to the opening verse.
Speaker D:I'm gonna hear him say in my mind.
Speaker D:Go to opening verse.
Speaker D:I'm like, whoo.
Speaker D:We good.
Speaker D:That's a reset.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker D:Just want to be free.
Speaker C:So you want to listen to the black stroke struggle to cleanse your palate from all I want for Christmas.
Speaker D:Absolutely.
Speaker D:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker D:I'm a good times this thing, baby.
Speaker D:Like, I need the hood.
Speaker D:I'm Florida Evans.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker D:Don't want to do better.
Speaker D:I don't want to ever do better.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:So, like on the.
Speaker C:So like on the thousand and first time you hear you like damn, damn, damn.
Speaker C:And break something.
Speaker D:Yep.
Speaker D:On a thousand times.
Speaker D:I'm gonna ask him to put that picture of white Jesus back up.
Speaker C:White Jesus.
Speaker C:She's.
Speaker A:Damn, damn, damn.
Speaker C:I hate the fact that I laugh at her pain that way.
Speaker C:I just.
Speaker C:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker D:I hate the fact that she's the villain in that show.
Speaker C:I mean, but in that moment, she wasn't the villain, man.
Speaker C:She's always been the villain in that show.
Speaker C:She just lost her husband, bro.
Speaker D:Every time she was a villain when he was.
Speaker D:When he was there.
Speaker D:A.
Speaker D:No, no, no.
Speaker D:A. I'm glad you said she just lost her husband because a season before he had a chance to Work on the pipeline in Alaska and could have made all that money and got them out the hood.
Speaker D:And she was like, no, because I want you to be here.
Speaker C:That's right.
Speaker C:I forgot all about the pipeline.
Speaker D:But it was okay for him to go to Alabama.
Speaker D:This nigga could have got you out the hood.
Speaker D:Good.
Speaker D:Y' all have been good.
Speaker D:So.
Speaker D:So I'm not mad.
Speaker D:She's not a victim.
Speaker D:Because she's saying, damn, damn, damn.
Speaker D:I'm going.
Speaker D:You got that killed.
Speaker C:We are not going to let Florida Evans off on the show.
Speaker C:We just.
Speaker C:I just.
Speaker C:From that moment, from this moment, I have come to realize that Florida Evans will forever be the victim.
Speaker C:I don't care.
Speaker C:On this show.
Speaker A:She is a villain.
Speaker C:I mean, I'm sorry.
Speaker C:Villain or villain?
Speaker C:Yeah, the villain.
Speaker C:She.
Speaker A:Needs me.
Speaker D:The fact that that I The.
Speaker D:The fact that I know so much about this show, I hate let you know how.
Speaker D:How vested I am in her being a villain.
Speaker C:That is so true.
Speaker C:You can't stand this, but you know everything about it.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker D:Know so much about this show that.
Speaker C:Forgot all about the lasting pipeline job.
Speaker D:Y.
Speaker C:He was going to make stupid money.
Speaker D:So make bank.
Speaker C:She wouldn't let him go.
Speaker D:Make like, the equivalent, like, what, $1,200 a month, which back then was.
Speaker D:Was crazy.
Speaker C:Cash.
Speaker C:You talking about, like.
Speaker C:Because, like, minimum wage was like a dollar and change mid-70s or like $2 or something like that.
Speaker C:Oh, man.
Speaker C:Twelve hundred dollars a month, somebody.
Speaker C:Four hundred a week.
Speaker C:Come on, bro.
Speaker C:And at the time, they were still paying people to go to Alaska.
Speaker C:For real.
Speaker A:300.
Speaker D:That whole show was about how black women's job was to make sure the family stayed struggling.
Speaker D:The whole show.
Speaker D:Premise of the show, yo.
Speaker D:Even.
Speaker D:Even with loner well known.
Speaker D:I had that rich dude that bought.
Speaker D:Oh, yeah,.
Speaker C:Frank.
Speaker D:Bought the shop for her.
Speaker C:And she was pissed.
Speaker D:And then she.
Speaker D:And then she was like, no, I don't want to do this.
Speaker D:But this bought you.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:A store.
Speaker D:And.
Speaker D:And all he said was, hey, if you're gonna work in the store, I'd rather you own the store so you can come home.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker D:And nope.
Speaker D:Nope.
Speaker D:I want to be a struggling ass chick in the hood, Frank.
Speaker D:I want to be an independent woman, Frank.
Speaker D:Yeah,.
Speaker C:Man.
Speaker C:He is not why I.
Speaker D:Hate that show.
Speaker C:I never even thought about it from that perspective, man.
Speaker C:I was.
Speaker C:But I was always wondering why I was so upset that she didn't like Frank.
Speaker C:For real.
Speaker D:I mean, you had to.
Speaker D:Look, I watch that show and I'm just like, this deserves better than you.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:100%.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And see, you know what they did, right?
Speaker A:They tried to get her back, make her seem soft.
Speaker A:That's why they introduced Penny.
Speaker C:That's different.
Speaker C:You're talking about a child.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:No,.
Speaker F:But that's.
Speaker F:But you.
Speaker F:You.
Speaker C:I hear what you're saying.
Speaker C:I hear what you're saying.
Speaker D:He's not wrong.
Speaker D:Because it also introduced.
Speaker D:Introduced another family to the dynamic of the projects.
Speaker D:Yep.
Speaker D:It was like, hey, we created.
Speaker D:We created a single mother on this show to give you all an example of, hey, this is what you should be.
Speaker D:Be by yourself.
Speaker D:And then you.
Speaker D:You got Penny, and you still got this rich ass that still would help you.
Speaker D:But nope, nope, nope.
Speaker D:I want to take care of Penny myself.
Speaker C:He said,.
Speaker D:No, no, no.
Speaker D:And then you kill off J things, so now you have two independent women.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I don't need you, your money, and your good treatment, all that.
Speaker C:But he had the Shaft jacket, man.
Speaker A:I mean,.
Speaker C:Long leather coat, man.
Speaker C:Come on.
Speaker C:We had the hair.
Speaker C:Come on.
Speaker C:Wellona could have been out.
Speaker D:The hood, too.
Speaker D:So, Ag, not only are you telling me he was good, you telling me he was cool as too?
Speaker C:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Frank was that.
Speaker C:He was the biggest developer, not the biggest.
Speaker D:Black developer.
Speaker D:So.
Speaker D:So, Ag, she is.
Speaker D:It is the opposite.
Speaker D:Disney.
Speaker D:This.
Speaker D:She was a Disney princess who Prince Charming tried to get.
Speaker D:And she said, nah, I'm good.
Speaker C:I want to struggle.
Speaker F:I want to struggle in the.
Speaker C:Hood.
Speaker D:Instead of being rich.
Speaker D:And he.
Speaker F:Was gonna bring pity.
Speaker F:He was like, hey, Penny can come too.
Speaker C:Like, what the.
Speaker C:What are we doing?
Speaker C:They made a black character the biggest.
Speaker C:One of the biggest developers in Chicago.
Speaker C:Not biggest black developer.
Speaker C:Biggest developer, period.
Speaker C:He was one of the biggest developers in Chicago.
Speaker C:And she was like.
Speaker C:She said no to all that.
Speaker D:And his rich ass had no problem walking up in this hood ass building.
Speaker D:First of all, I wouldn't have been walking in no building like that no more.
Speaker D:Not by myself.
Speaker D:I'm acting brand new, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker D:Like, I'm Brandy.
Speaker D:You have me.
Speaker D:Me outside, baby.
Speaker C:Well, outside is more dangerous than inside.
Speaker C:I'm just saying.
Speaker D:Yeah, but I ain't about to go up all these steps.
Speaker C:That's right, cuz.
Speaker C:Elevator didn't work.
Speaker D:Elevator.
Speaker F:Never work.
Speaker D:Yeah, I. I ain't about to get all y' all projects on my coat.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker C:Wow, Sir.
Speaker C:Wow, sir.
Speaker F:He ain't.
Speaker C:That was a little harsh, sir.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker D:Ain't wrong.
Speaker D:He's.
Speaker C:Not wrong.
Speaker D:You telling me somebody in Frank's position probably wouldn't have been like that?
Speaker C:I. I'm telling you that I wouldn't have won OJ3s up there.
Speaker C:I promise you that.
Speaker D:Thank you.
Speaker C:I mean, I mean, he.
Speaker D:Walked up there.
Speaker A:And here's the other thing.
Speaker A:He walked up there and nobody with him.
Speaker C:Yeah, well, he's.
Speaker C:They knew each other, so Frank had cred on both ends, so that.
Speaker C:So that, that.
Speaker C:That didn't surprise me.
Speaker D:I mean, he was all over the place.
Speaker D:He was up there.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, he was.
Speaker D:He was in Evans.
Speaker D:He was up.
Speaker D:He.
Speaker D:He walked up in the Evans house like he belonged there.
Speaker A:Yeah,.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker D:He could have bought the building.
Speaker C:100.
Speaker C:Yeah,.
Speaker A:Man.
Speaker D:Yo, Willona it up for everybody.
Speaker D:She could have been like, instead of buying me this restaurant, let's buy the building.
Speaker A:And I'll run the building and I'll fix it up.
Speaker A:But nah, man,.
Speaker D:Like I said, the whole show was about how you should be happy keeping your family in the hood.
Speaker D:Ain't we lucky we got them.
Speaker C:Good times,.
Speaker D:That show, man.
Speaker C:Hey, look, he says that, but he knows everything about the show.
Speaker D:First.
Speaker D:First of all, as somebody who didn't have cable when I was younger, that was in syndication.
Speaker D:Strong.
Speaker C:100.
Speaker D:My.
Speaker D:My mom loved that show for whatever reason.
Speaker D:That's.
Speaker A:A horrible show, man.
Speaker C:I didn't think it was a horrible show.
Speaker C:I think it's a good show.
Speaker C:But I do.
Speaker C:I do understand during.
Speaker D:The time everybody liked it because nobody was pro like my mom.
Speaker D:Sure.
Speaker D:I'm sure looks at that show completely different than the way I look at the show, Cuz I look at the show going, these could have been out multiple times.
Speaker D:What do.
Speaker D:What do we do?
Speaker C:But that's not true, cuz my dad said the same thing you said when I was young, and I didn't understand it.
Speaker C:But then as I got older, I was like, he was not wrong.
Speaker C:And then you started talking.
Speaker D:He's an enlightened individual.
Speaker D:He.
Speaker D:Enlightened.
Speaker C:Individual.
Speaker C:Because I told y' all that on this show, my dad's perspective was they couldn't write white TV shows where the black person wasn't on the come up.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And I.
Speaker C:And he challenged me.
Speaker C:He said, think of one black show on TV where the black people were just existing at a certain level.
Speaker C:And I said, my first thought was the Jeffersons.
Speaker C:And I said, no, no, no.
Speaker C:They own a come up.
Speaker D:They want to come.
Speaker C:Up.
Speaker C:Even though we didn't really see a whole lot of the beginnings of the origin story.
Speaker D:Yeah, we didn't see,.
Speaker C:But they were on the come.
Speaker D:Up.
Speaker D:Exactly.
Speaker C:Because, see, I didn't watch.
Speaker C:I didn't watch Maude and I didn't really watch all in the Family that much.
Speaker C:Well, that's.
Speaker F:What I was saying.
Speaker F:The.
Speaker C:COVID spin off was in.
Speaker F:All the family.
Speaker C:Right, Exactly.
Speaker C:Actually, she was the housekeeper in Maude too.
Speaker C:So it's just like they spun.
Speaker C:They spun Mrs. Jefferson off of that, and that was the come up.
Speaker C:But you had to watch two or three different shows to know that.
Speaker C:So as far as I was concerned, the Jeffersons were always there.
Speaker C:The first real show to answer my dad's question was the Cosby Show.
Speaker C:They were always here 20.
Speaker F:Years.
Speaker C:Later.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:So when I hear.
Speaker D:When I hear Mo talk about it, it's.
Speaker D:It's like,.
Speaker C:Wow,.
Speaker D:That they.
Speaker D:They was.
Speaker D:They.
Speaker A:I mean, yeah,.
Speaker C:They weren't ghetto, but they were southeast, though, so I don't really.
Speaker D:Count.
Speaker D:Say they weren't.
Speaker D:They weren't on the come up.
Speaker D:They were just kind of there.
Speaker F:I'mma be real, man.
Speaker F:Like, straight up, when I watch Good Times, I didn't get it because I didn't live like that.
Speaker F:So I was just like,.
Speaker C:Yeah,.
Speaker F:I didn't understand it.
Speaker F:And I was just like.
Speaker F:I mean, it was kind of funny because JJ was funny, but, like, I didn't understand the big premise of the show.
Speaker F:I just thought that JJ was funny.
Speaker F:And every once in a while.
Speaker A:They had some funny jokes.
Speaker A:But as far as, like, how they live this, I mean, real talk, I was too young, young when we lived in the apartments of Petersburg.
Speaker A:So when I re.
Speaker A:You know, when I could remember, bro, I lived in the house and I was like, what are these people doing?
Speaker A:And that's just not being whatever.
Speaker A:It's just what it was.
Speaker A:No,.
Speaker C:I agree, because I went through the same thing.
Speaker C:Like when they was on.
Speaker C:When they was on the show, and they were like.
Speaker C:They really almost didn't know where their next meal was coming from.
Speaker F:Yeah,.
Speaker C:I didn't get the.
Speaker C:That I.
Speaker C:If I wanted something to eat, I could just go to the refrigerator.
Speaker C:I didn't understand where stuff came from, bro.
Speaker C:I was like, I mean, just go to the store.
Speaker C:You realize people work for this, right?
Speaker C:Oh, I didn't know.
Speaker C:It must work.
Speaker C:I mean, you.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:Yeah, I understand exactly what you mean.
Speaker C:But like I said, man, you know, a lot of black people had a D. You know, it was a dichotomy.
Speaker C:It's like, you're glad to see yourself.
Speaker C:But why we always got to be broken?
Speaker D:I mean, look, I look at TV the same way now, man, because like every popular black show now is black people being gangsters, drug dealers,.
Speaker C:100.
Speaker D:That we can't we.
Speaker D:We can't have any show like all the most popular black shows.
Speaker D:What The Wire.
Speaker D:All the.
Speaker D:Tyler Paris is always about rich, messy black people or who are probably doing illegal or struggling black people who are doing illegal.
Speaker F:Well, the only one that's.
Speaker F:That's really not.
Speaker F:Is a.
Speaker F:Is the Sisters thing that spinned off to the other show.
Speaker F:But that's more about.
Speaker F:No, no, that was.
Speaker F:No, that's way before that.
Speaker F:I'm talking about Sisters to show this on now.
Speaker F:Sisters that spin.
Speaker D:Off.
Speaker F:To the.
Speaker A:The girl who has her own show now.
Speaker A:But that's more about.
Speaker A:Which is interesting.
Speaker A:It's more about black women, but in the trials and tribulations that they go.
Speaker D:Being messy.
Speaker A:I believe that too.
Speaker C:He just summed it up.
Speaker C:Being messy.
Speaker C:He's not wrong.
Speaker C:I mean,.
Speaker D:Every commercial clip I see is just a whole bunch of messy chicks.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And it's just like, you know, a.
Speaker D:Whole bunch of successful, messy chickens chicks.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And the one chick who's got her own show is almost, like,.
Speaker D:Toxic.
Speaker D:Not almost.
Speaker D:She's toxic.
Speaker A:I mean, she wants to pull out her gun every time she got issues like.
Speaker A:Like, calm down.
Speaker A:Can we talk?
Speaker A:But.
Speaker D:We.
Speaker D:We've already talked about Tyler Perry and black characters, man.
Speaker D:He.
Speaker D:He.
Speaker D:He can only make them one of two ways.
Speaker D:Either they.
Speaker D:They either got to be too good to possibly be human.
Speaker D:Oh, they gotta be the worst pieces of ever.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker A:And part of that show, man, she basically met this dude and kind of reversed to Captain Save a Hoe.
Speaker A:She saved a thug and made him into something that's like, he got his own business now, but he's still a little bit hood.
Speaker A:And she.
Speaker A:Justice hood.
Speaker A:And she be trying to calm him down.
Speaker A:Down.
Speaker A:And she's.
Speaker A:And she.
Speaker A:And you know, and he's trying to make sure she don't pull out her gat on somebody.
Speaker A:So it's like.
Speaker A:And it's messy.
Speaker A:It's so like Mopey said.
Speaker A:That's just messy as hell.
Speaker A:And the sister show,.
Speaker D:You know.
Speaker D:You know what I want?
Speaker D:I just really wish we could have a black Seinfeld show, like, where it's just like, yo, if these are some black people existed, I'm saying, sure about none.
Speaker D:Just.
Speaker D:We just existed.
Speaker C:I don't know.
Speaker D:Nobody doing anything crazy.
Speaker D:No.
Speaker D:Nobody doing anything illegal.
Speaker D:Ain't nobody rich.
Speaker D:Ain't nobody necessarily poor.
Speaker D:Just.
Speaker F:Yeah,.
Speaker D:I don't.
Speaker F:The problem with that, though, is we can't exist like that.
Speaker D:We would have to.
Speaker F:Exist.
Speaker D:The problem is white people.
Speaker D:White people don't want to See us exist like that.
Speaker D:And black people call people existing like that as they acted fun, they acted funny.
Speaker C:Oh man.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker F:Mean, I just, you know, when it's all said and done, man, you know, the cops,.
Speaker D:Even, even black shows where people are doing well, like they gotta show the element of where that dude came from, the hood.
Speaker D:It's like, yo, man, I get it.
Speaker D:Most black people are like no more than one, maybe two generations from poverty.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:But that there are some that are one or two generations from it.
Speaker D:So like some people just existed like we did.
Speaker D:We was just.
Speaker A:Yeah,.
Speaker D:New class.
Speaker A:That's why the Jamie Foxx show is such a, a decent show.
Speaker A:I'm not gonna say it was good.
Speaker A:I'm just gonna say it was decent because you basically have.
Speaker A:You had two black people who owned a hotel and you had the nephew and then he was trying to holler at the girl who worked at the hotel and then the stuck up black dude, because everybody's got one of them around them, you know, it's trying to holler.
Speaker D:It had different dynamics of black.
Speaker D:Yeah, everybody.
Speaker A:But nobody was like poor for once.
Speaker D:I mean, look, the 90s did have a little bit of a run like that, cuz like Martin.
Speaker D:You can describe Martin the same way like the 90s had.
Speaker D:But you know what, that, that's, that's what ruined it because it, the 90s had a good run and white people looked and was like, we don't really like seeing black people doing good.
Speaker F:And then, you know, BET doesn't.
Speaker D:Come out.
Speaker F:Television.
Speaker D:Well, and then BET found out BET and MTV was like, hey man, you know what people like?
Speaker D:Train wrecks.
Speaker D:So then all the reality TV came out.
Speaker D:So now a lot of shows that are out now that are fictitious shows are geared to look like reality shows.
Speaker D:Like the Tyler Perry series is all super messy and super drama feel that's based off almost all of them.
Speaker D:I'm just saying the characters, the way the characters act like, yo, if you were watching love and Hip Hop Atlanta and then you flipped and ended up on Sisters, you might not necessarily know which one was the fake show.
Speaker C:He's so right about that.
Speaker C:He couldn't be more correct.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, it's just sad, man.
Speaker A:Man, and Tyler Perry's got all this power and he comes out with like, I get it, man.
Speaker A:You come out with the what the, whatever the show is where the president is black or something, but his family is messy as.
Speaker A:And it's like, come on, man,.
Speaker D:We are not gonna knock this man for being brilliant.
Speaker A:No, no, I'm just saying,.
Speaker D:Like, because all he doing is printing money.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:That's all this man is doing.
Speaker D:This man is out here printing money.
Speaker D:He ain't even got to be creative no more.
Speaker D:He's like, yo, I just repackaged the same characters and put them in a little bit different of a scenario, call it a different title, and cash another check.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, you know, between why did I get married to.
Speaker A:Which a third one is now out on Netflix that I have touched.
Speaker A:Is that serious?
Speaker A:I'm not trying to watch that shit.
Speaker A:Like, I'm just not.
Speaker A:I probably will eventually, but I'm not really trying to watch it.
Speaker A:And then, of course, you.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker D:Mean, there's gonna be no Tyler Perry slander up here, man.
Speaker D:Your boy out here winning.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:But I. I am.
Speaker D:I. I have never.
Speaker D:I will never hate on that, man.
Speaker D:I will just be like, yo, this dude is a genius.
Speaker D:We.
Speaker D:We throw the term genius around too much, man, but the simplicity, honesty of what he does is genius.
Speaker D:He makes shows that women like.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:Hard.
Speaker D:Stop.
Speaker D:And you know what?
Speaker D:I'm not saying guys can't enjoy any of them.
Speaker D:But the thing is, if you.
Speaker D:If you get enough women to like it, guys gotta watch.
Speaker D:Guys gotta watch it.
Speaker D:Because we.
Speaker D:We exist with the women.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:I've watched a whole bunch of shows that I didn't necessarily want to watch because I live with a woman.
Speaker A:Who watches all those shows that are messy.
Speaker D:She don't watch all of them.
Speaker D:Thankfully.
Speaker D:She don't watch all of them.
Speaker D:Actually, she don't watch most of those shows, but she watches enough stuff that I've seen stuff that I had no desire to see.
Speaker D:But here we are.
Speaker D:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker D:I've seen it.
Speaker D:She watches Good Times, and she just said, sure do.
Speaker D:Look, the reason I'm.
Speaker D:The reason I'm so well versed on Good Times, because I still have to see episodes every now and then because it just be on, man.
Speaker F:I'm sorry, bro.
Speaker F:I'm sorry.
Speaker F:That's all I can say to you, man.
Speaker F:I'm just.
Speaker F:Sorry.
Speaker F:I'm sorry.
Speaker F:Because nobody should have to put up with that kind of punishment.
Speaker D:Hey, look, man.
Speaker F:Purpose.
Speaker F:All because I love.
Speaker D:I. I love her more than I hate anything.
Speaker D:And that's real.
Speaker C:Good answer.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker F:Hope so.
Speaker C:Good answer.
Speaker C:Like, I'm on family.
Speaker C:Good answer.
Speaker C:Good answer.
Speaker F:Ah, awesome.
Speaker A:Cool.
Speaker A:We good?
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker A:Thanks.
Speaker A:Sir.
Speaker A:Very simple.
Speaker A:What's on my mind is I can't wait till Wednesday so I can stop getting all this political on my television.
Speaker A:And in the mail.
Speaker A:I can't wait till Wednesday because most of the races will be determined and we will unfortunately deal with one or two that everybody's going to talk about for the next week and we're going to hear about how it takes too long to vote count all these votes and mailing ballot is, is whatever and you know, everybody, all these Democrats who won are, it's all for fraud and blah, blah, blah, all that.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker D:You think we'll know all that by Wednesday?
Speaker A:No, that's just gonna be talked about on Wednesday.
Speaker D:I'm just saying, you said most of these races will be decided by Wednesday.
Speaker D:You really think that?
Speaker D:I mean, typically it works that way.
Speaker D:I don't think it's gonna work that way.
Speaker A:I think a couple, I think a couple of races will not be, I think the Michigan race unless it's a blowout at the beginning.
Speaker A:Kidding.
Speaker A:Yeah, that shit's gonna be like a week because it's gonna be every, it's gonna be horrible because you know when it's all said and done, we're as messy as the person who is in charge of the United States and he's gonna make this as messy as possible.
Speaker A:And on top of that, my only hope is I just need one thing to happen.
Speaker A:It's not going to happen, but I am hoping for it to happen.
Speaker A:I need the number one black male Republican ass kisser to lose his race.
Speaker A:Why?
Speaker A:So he can go the away?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:I'm talking about Donald's.
Speaker A:He is running for governor of Florida.
Speaker A:Apparently he is technically projected to win.
Speaker A:I need him to lose.
Speaker A:Like if anything, nothing else can happen.
Speaker A:If he loses, I'm good, because he needs to go the way of Tim Scott.
Speaker A:I'm, I'm, I, I, I'm sick of him, you know?
Speaker A:And then he had, like we talked about a couple weeks ago, he had the nerve to say all that cold cash shit for the last three years and then he decided this was the time I need, I need to back away from Trump a little.
Speaker A:Bitch.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:This is, this is your line.
Speaker A:Just talking about him makes me not want to talk.
Speaker A:My body is like, stop talking about him.
Speaker A:That guy, man, like all of it.
Speaker A:I, I, he sucks.
Speaker A:He is.
Speaker A:And honestly, it'd be different if he was a nicer dude.
Speaker A:No, he's an and that's what makes it all the worse.
Speaker A:And he's gonna become the governor of Florida.
Speaker A:I'm so glad it's the international territory, but I mean I wouldn't be upset if we bombed that just Saying because that dude, that dude is trash.
Speaker D:I'm not gonna punish the whole international region just because they voted for a step and fetcher.
Speaker A:I mean, but.
Speaker D:They have the option not to do that.
Speaker D:You're right.
Speaker D:But they're outnumbered by stupid.
Speaker C:Well, he said they're outnumbered by stupid.
Speaker C:Oh, my God, that is hilarious.
Speaker C:Else, I.
Speaker F:Don't think I ever wanted a white man.
Speaker F:A white man went away so bad.
Speaker F:Like, I need this Democrat to pull this out so we can.
Speaker F:So we can start hearing about, oh, you know, the election is fraudulent.
Speaker F:Block.
Speaker A:Man, why don't you tap your ass?
Speaker A:Your ass over there beside Tim Scott.
Speaker A:Tim Scott, bring him to the party, man.
Speaker A:Cause your ass go and take his ass with you.
Speaker A:Like, bro, I just, you know, and I mean, the whole outside thing, cyan thing, I would sacrifice that for, for Byron Donald Saloose.
Speaker A:I would.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:That's a fair sacrifice.
Speaker A:That he would lose.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:So I don't know if I want him to lose or not.
Speaker A:Because it's Michigan now, really, you know, Michigan is Michigan.
Speaker A:But like, if you're gonna ask me what I want more to happen, I need for the first time in decades for Florida to have a Democratic president.
Speaker A:I mean, Democratic governor.
Speaker A:Who cares what happens after that?
Speaker A:But I just need.
Speaker A:Donald's not to be there.
Speaker A:He just.
Speaker A:Ah.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker C:I don't know what to tell you, bro.
Speaker C:You can't have it all this time.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:He's a worse.
Speaker A:Stephan Fetch.
Speaker A:He was worse.
Speaker A:He is worse than Tim Scott.
Speaker A:And I thought Tim.
Speaker A:I said on the show, Tim Scott is horrible.
Speaker A:Now this guy, Byron Donald,.
Speaker D:They're kind of the same person.
Speaker D:So I don't know anybody worse.
Speaker A:Him and his punk ass beard can go like, oh, gosh, he makes want to throw up just watching them on TV and talking stupid.
Speaker A:And just because you're a big black man, that don't mean, I mean, what, you threatening people too now?
Speaker A:You can get kicked to the nuts too.
Speaker A:Nobody cares.
Speaker A:Like, I mean, I think it's fair.
Speaker A:Moby, Byron Donald Step and Fetch All Star.
Speaker D:I mean, like I said, him and Tim Scott kind of the same person, man.
Speaker A:You know, I would say that at least Tim Scott smiles more.
Speaker A:That's the difference.
Speaker A:Tim Scott smiles more, whether that's good, bad or indifferent.
Speaker A:Byron Dallas looks like he wants to punch somebody all the time.
Speaker A:Especially when, like, he's wrong and they tell them he's wrong and he doubles down by being even more wronger.
Speaker A:And I don't Know if that's a word, but I.
Speaker C:Just read that shit.
Speaker A:Up.
Speaker A:Yeah, like, what the man, this guy's gotta be talking out of English now.
Speaker A:Jesus.
Speaker A:Hate this guy.
Speaker D:I'm just saying.
Speaker D:So you like one because they smile a little bit more.
Speaker D:I mean, he smiles while he's sucking dick.
Speaker D:That, that makes you feel good.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker A:I mean, if I gotta choose,.
Speaker D:I guess, I guess.
Speaker D:But.
Speaker A:Yeah, but Donalds, I, I, you know, I never felt this way about Tim Scott.
Speaker A:We all just knew he was a stepping fetcher.
Speaker A:It was okay, you know, he did the dance and moved on.
Speaker A:Nah, Byron Donald like makes me want to like put like I feel like venom courses through my veins when I watch him.
Speaker A:He's like, he's that, that you know, you can't trust.
Speaker A:Like regardless of whatever he says, you know he lying.
Speaker A:And you know, he is one of those dudes that look it's all about me.
Speaker A:If he told you it was all about me, you still think he's lying about something.
Speaker A:You know, like use hair club for men.
Speaker A:You ain't got no hair.
Speaker A:Like what we doing that guy.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:So that's all I got to say.
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