Episode 344
Episode 344: I Ask: Can a Boycott Ever Work? Our Debate on Target
We begin with a focused debate on whether organized boycotts can produce real change, centering on the Target boycott and its measurable but incomplete effects. I summarize the financial impact, the executive departures, and the modest concessions to argue that the boycott yielded a mixed result. We then examine the practical limits of boycotts, noting how corporate reach and everyday dependence make full withdrawal difficult for most people. I recount related conversations about football, including the Dak Prescott incident and the firing of a stadium worker, and how those moments reflect public expectations and power. We describe personal and principled boycotts, from avoiding certain stores to refusing to engage with specific media figures. I close by noting wider cultural debates we addressed, including reactions to artists and public figures, and we invite listeners to join our live show for further discussion.
Transcript
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Speaker B:This week on the five minute warning, The show that gives you everything and nothing at all, that's everywhere you don't want to be.
Speaker B:It's Reuben, Mo B, and on the ones and twos, Ag.
Speaker B:Minute warning.
Speaker A:Welcome to a brand new episode of five minute warning.
Speaker A:As always, it's your man Reuben in the house tonight.
Speaker A:And of course with me always is my cousin Ag.
Speaker B:What's happening, y'?
Speaker C:All?
Speaker B:How you doing?
Speaker A:I was doing better till about 4:47 today.
Speaker B:I was not gonna bring that up, sir.
Speaker A:It was awful.
Speaker B:It was awful.
Speaker A:It is very simple.
Speaker A:I sent a message to Mo B immediately.
Speaker A:I'm not watching any more football today and I haven't.
Speaker B:But you missed so good stuff, though.
Speaker A:No, I don't care.
Speaker A:I don't care.
Speaker A:But you.
Speaker A:I do not care.
Speaker B:But it was so good.
Speaker A:I don't give two flying shits and a bucket of tortoise.
Speaker A:Tortoise ass.
Speaker A:Like, I don't care.
Speaker A:I don't care what I missed today.
Speaker A:I could give a. I don't even care if my fancy team won this week.
Speaker A:Teams.
Speaker A:I don't give a shiitake mushroom.
Speaker A:I was done.
Speaker A:It was that simple.
Speaker B:Like, that was clever shiitake.
Speaker B:That was nice.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I do what I can.
Speaker A:But, yeah, that is my only statement on it that I will have understood.
Speaker A:And I see you, moko cowboy, but I ain't talking about it no more.
Speaker A:I would have rather taken the L. Honestly.
Speaker B:Honestly, I don't think you would have rather taken the L. No, no.
Speaker B:But to lose the way you did just because no one understands situational football.
Speaker A:No, no, I don't care.
Speaker B:I think Dan Quinn was just sitting there because this is going to be his.
Speaker B:His commander's head coach.
Speaker B:Nah, I don't know, man.
Speaker B:It was bad.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:It was so bad.
Speaker A:Here's the thing.
Speaker B:They could have won the game.
Speaker B:They could have won the game.
Speaker A:It's Very simple, though.
Speaker A:Like, if you get rid of him, who you going to replace him with?
Speaker B:And I think he deserve stopped anyone,.
Speaker A:But that's anyone, but I think he deserves us the rest of the season.
Speaker A:That's just my opinion.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker A:I mean, I mean, so what?
Speaker A:So we can put the special teams coach in there who don't know shit.
Speaker A:No, I'm good.
Speaker A:I mean, it's very simple, man.
Speaker A:I didn't look at the press conference.
Speaker A:I don't give a fuck about the press conference.
Speaker A:I don't care.
Speaker A:Everybody's going to take blame.
Speaker A:I don't care.
Speaker B:Just like the song all day.
Speaker B:You don't love it, but you don't care.
Speaker B:Man, I'm sorry.
Speaker B:We watched that game, we were so excited.
Speaker B:And it's just like I was thinking, like they had more time on the clock because why aren't you kicking the field goal?
Speaker B:You're well within range.
Speaker B:So I'm thinking.
Speaker B:Then I look looked at the clock, it was two seconds left.
Speaker B:I said, this game is over.
Speaker B:What are y' all doing?
Speaker B:And sure enough, the game is over.
Speaker B:Ty.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:I'd rather take an L, actually.
Speaker B:I'm not gonna.
Speaker B:I'm not gonna take this one and not say what I need to say about my sorry team.
Speaker B:Now, we all.
Speaker B:Well, most of us saw the Cowboys lose, in which.
Speaker A:This is worse than that.
Speaker B:No, it's just different.
Speaker B:This is not.
Speaker B:I'm actually.
Speaker B:I'm not even talking about the itself.
Speaker B:What I'm talking about is soft.
Speaker B:Dak Prescott got a man fired for saying what everybody else knew.
Speaker B:Do you hear about this?
Speaker A:Who got fired?
Speaker B:Okay, Dak Prescott is coming off the field.
Speaker B:He's going down the tunnel into the locker room, right?
Speaker B:And some.
Speaker B:An employee of Texas Stadium or AT&T Stadium said, man, embarrassing.
Speaker B:And Dak looked at him, and then he walked away.
Speaker B:Then he looked back at him, and then he started talking to somebody.
Speaker B:Next thing you know, this guy got fired.
Speaker B:And I'm sitting there like, number one, that's petty.
Speaker B:Number two, you're soft because he didn't disrespect you.
Speaker B:He said exactly what it was.
Speaker B:And the idea that you're pulling a Trump as a losing quarterback to an 04 team at home, you should have took that one on the chin and kept it moving.
Speaker B:That was.
Speaker B:That, to me, was even embarrassing.
Speaker B:Even more embarrassing than the performance on the field.
Speaker B:That let me know who you were right then.
Speaker A:You know, I think what's even more embarrassing is they actually fired the dude based on what he said.
Speaker A:He Is like, really?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:It's just like, when Trump sees something that's not favorable, he wants people fired.
Speaker B:And he has a nice success rate doing that.
Speaker B:The idea that you're the guy and you can talk to somebody and that somebody will, you know, hand down the execution lets me know how soft you are.
Speaker A:Well, I'll say, like Moby would say.
Speaker A:I mean, he's been in Dallas, Texas, a little too long.
Speaker A:We know which way he rides.
Speaker A:So, I mean, you know, maybe he's got the pseudo complexion for protection, you know?
Speaker A:Cause he makes $60 million.
Speaker A:What are they gonna do, chastise him?
Speaker A:I mean, they should.
Speaker B:Okay, I, I, I tell you, like, my dad, if my dad was Jerry Jones and I was the starting quarterback, in which my dad has given me a $60 million allowance, and I came to my dad without coming to my dad, which be a man.
Speaker B:And I said, dad, this dude said what we did Thursday night was an embarrassment.
Speaker B:My dad, first of all, he said that.
Speaker B:Well, that man just said what he needed to say.
Speaker B:Second of all, it's true.
Speaker A:Where's the lie?
Speaker B:Third of all, why you soft?
Speaker B:I'm not firing that man because he said the truth.
Speaker B:He didn't call you out your name.
Speaker B:Did he call you out your name?
Speaker B:Did he call you a coon?
Speaker B:No, he said that was embarrassing.
Speaker B:Everybody in this building is embarrassed because of your performance, sir.
Speaker B:Throw less interceptions and get out my office.
Speaker B:That's what my dad would have said.
Speaker B:He would have paid me my allowance because my dad's that guy.
Speaker B:But he would have talked about me all week.
Speaker B:I had to wait till next Sunday night to prove him wrong.
Speaker A:Yeah, but he's a Jerry Jones disciple, man.
Speaker B:Hey, man, only thing I'm saying is the, the loss was bad enough, but to get a man fired for telling the truth, and this is all on video.
Speaker B:You can look this up and you can see exchange.
Speaker B:I'm like, bro.
Speaker B:Oh, Moby, look, man, funniest thing happened today.
Speaker B:Now, I was watching the 49ers and the Seahawks today, and I've already told you, anytime I see Mike Evans, I think of you right away.
Speaker B:Y', all, Y' all favor each other, and you got the same height.
Speaker B:So I'm like, when I see him, I said, because I joke with my.
Speaker C:Wife all the time.
Speaker B:Say, hey, Moby just caught an out route.
Speaker B:You see that?
Speaker B:And we all laugh at it.
Speaker B:Funny.
Speaker B:So, you know, I think he had just caught a pass, and Trayvon Diggs decided he wanted to talk to him.
Speaker B:And this is classic Mo B.
Speaker B:And apparently, classic Mike Evans.
Speaker B:What he did was the most savage thing I'd ever seen.
Speaker B:So Trayvon Diggs approaches Mike Evans.
Speaker B:Mike Evans looks down at him.
Speaker B:They're jawing back and forth.
Speaker B:Mike Evans takes him, turns his.
Speaker B:Turns his body around to read his jersey as to say, who are you?
Speaker B:And walked off.
Speaker B:I was like,.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker B:That was, man.
Speaker B:That was savage, bro.
Speaker B:That was savage.
Speaker B:I was like, the whole Internet is laughing at that.
Speaker C:Mike Evans.
Speaker C:Like, yeah, I'm a future hall of Famer.
Speaker B:I don't know who you are exactly.
Speaker B:What's up, new guy?
Speaker B:I was tripping, man.
Speaker A:Did you see that?
Speaker C:I did.
Speaker B:Oh, my God.
Speaker B:Hilarious.
Speaker B:Anyway, so I was like.
Speaker B:I told.
Speaker B:I told Lauren.
Speaker B:I said, like, not only does he look like Moby, but that's some Moby stuff right there.
Speaker B:If I had never said, I promise you, it is crazy.
Speaker B:But anyway, man, that was embarrassing.
Speaker B:Dak Prescott, soft guy, got fired because he said the truth.
Speaker B:You're soft.
Speaker B:You're.
Speaker B:You're Donald Trump.
Speaker B:You're soft.
Speaker B:So I feel so that.
Speaker C:That guy.
Speaker C:That guy who said embarrassing, they fired him.
Speaker B:Oh, they fired him 100.
Speaker B:Because he was on.
Speaker B:I. I ran across him on Instagram after I had heard that they fired a guy.
Speaker B:The dude showed up on Instagram and said, yeah, man, I just got fired.
Speaker B:And I wasn't really paying attention until he started telling the story.
Speaker B:And I was like, oh, you're.
Speaker B:Yeah, man.
Speaker B:They fired that dude.
Speaker B:I'm telling you, Reuben, if you want to look it up, you can see the entire exchange.
Speaker B:All he said was embarrassing.
Speaker A:I believe all of it because that was embarrassing.
Speaker C:And that Prescott looks back at him.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker C:Doesn't say anything.
Speaker C:Just looks back at him, stares and walks away like he was trying to figure out, all right, who's that?
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker B:Yeah, because he.
Speaker B:He, like, on the way to.
Speaker B:He looked at him when he said it because he was coming his way.
Speaker B:Then he walked away, but then he turned back around.
Speaker B:Then he turned back around again, and then he started talking to somebody that next to him on the way to the locker room door.
Speaker B:I guarantee you, he was like, yeah, man.
Speaker B:Whoever that is, he gotta go.
Speaker A:I mean, it actually has a right to work State, bro.
Speaker B:So I was like.
Speaker C:I mean, look, man, like, if.
Speaker C:If you needed this to prove that that Prescott was soft, like, you just late to the party.
Speaker B:I guess so.
Speaker B:Because I don't ever look at an athlete that plays purposeful contact sports.
Speaker B:Like, that is the intent to put your hands on people and say, I will never, ever say that.
Speaker B:But your behavior, like, mentally, you're soft, man.
Speaker B:That dude.
Speaker B:All that they do said was what actually happened.
Speaker B:That was the most you lost to a.04 team at home.
Speaker B:Even if they won a few games, you're better than they are, and you.
Speaker A:Still lost at home with a rookie, undrafted quarterback.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker C:I mean, I think it's a. I think it's unfair to call Dak Prescott soft because we don't know him.
Speaker C:But I will admit that I'm tainted, and I've been tainted about.
Speaker C:Since he was in college, and it was on video that he.
Speaker C:And he got his ass whooped at spring break by some random white guy.
Speaker C:Oh, he got his ass whooped.
Speaker C:I mean, that dude gave him the lumps.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker C:Just.
Speaker C:Just a brutal beat.
Speaker C:Once again, I'm not saying anyone's too good to catch a fade, but, like, it's just like one of those things where we just say, look, man, once.
Speaker C:Once your kid or your girl see you get your ass whooped, it's hard for them to look at you the same.
Speaker C:But that.
Speaker C:That's kind of where it is on that.
Speaker C:It's just, like, kind of hard for you to be a leader of men.
Speaker C:And I know you just on the beach getting your ass whooped.
Speaker B:Well, I hear what you're saying.
Speaker B:Not untrue.
Speaker B:But I am late to the party, apparently.
Speaker B:But that type of behavior, I couldn't.
Speaker B:I could not imagine messing with somebody's livelihood.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's.
Speaker C:That's incredibly soft.
Speaker C:That's incredibly soft.
Speaker C:And he didn't say anything like, personally attacking you?
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker C:Like, he just said.
Speaker C:I was embarrassed.
Speaker C:Like, bro, that's.
Speaker C:He could be any fan in the stands.
Speaker B:100%.
Speaker B:100%.
Speaker B:Like I said, man.
Speaker B:I hear you, Ruben.
Speaker B:I feel your pain because I saw it for myself.
Speaker B:But I kind of understand you because the Cowboys stink.
Speaker B:And I wish people would listen to me.
Speaker B:I tell them to work every.
Speaker B:Every season, I tell them I said, we're gonna suck.
Speaker A:Stop it.
Speaker B:Hey, y' all look good.
Speaker B:No, we don't.
Speaker B:We look good on paper.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker A:Just wait.
Speaker B:And we're gonna be 7 and 9 or 9 and 7 and make the playoffs and lose.
Speaker B:Whatever.
Speaker B:And they're like, come on, man.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:And then the first game, you was right.
Speaker B:Just a testament to that.
Speaker B:A lot of things I don't know.
Speaker B:But what I do know is Dallas sucks.
Speaker B:And they're going to continue to do so until they don't.
Speaker A:So I'm good.
Speaker A:I've spoken my football piece for the day.
Speaker A:You got Anything Moby, Football wise?
Speaker C:No, I'm good.
Speaker A:Okay, cool.
Speaker A:Let's talk about this question of the day.
Speaker A:Very simple.
Speaker A:Is boycotting anything impossible?
Speaker A:I thought it's a very interesting question considering that.
Speaker A:So we have the Target thing.
Speaker A:I don't know if it's still going on.
Speaker B:It depends on what you ask.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean, I don't go to Target no more.
Speaker A:I mean, I don't know if it's because of that though.
Speaker A:I think it may.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I think that was a thought.
Speaker A:But when it's all said done.
Speaker A:Target two.
Speaker A:Goddamn expensive.
Speaker A:Expensive.
Speaker B:So like that's why it's been expensive though.
Speaker A:I mean.
Speaker A:Yeah, but you know, now that more that money is going to my gas tank and stuff.
Speaker B:Well, there's your problem because you're absolutely right about that.
Speaker B:Yes, yes.
Speaker A:Target is now officially more expensive that you should go into.
Speaker A:So I mean people still be there and that still be deep.
Speaker A:But I mean, you know, I'm not going on a regular basis to count all the people that are not the people of color that's in there because I'm pretty sure there's some.
Speaker A:I mean, but you know, I would probably say that that was pretty effective.
Speaker A:Once again, I don't know if it's officially over.
Speaker A:Maybe y' all have the answer to that.
Speaker A:But as far as anything else, I mean, I think when it's all said and done, it just really depends on what it is we're boycotting.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because I mean you're not going to boycott Milk.
Speaker A:I mean people need that.
Speaker A:Like that's a necessity.
Speaker A:And I think some things are too big to boycott.
Speaker A:Like boycotting Walmart.
Speaker A:Hell no, that ain't happening.
Speaker C:Pause.
Speaker C:Time out.
Speaker A:Yes, yes, Moby,.
Speaker C:What is your definition of boycott?
Speaker C:Because I, I need, I need to figure out what your idea of boycott is because I'm failing to understand what you're saying.
Speaker C:How are we defining boycot when.
Speaker A:When A, a group of people get together and they decide that we're not going to either A, do this or B, go there for an extended period of time.
Speaker C:So we're saying a public boycott because anybody can boycott anything.
Speaker C:Like cuz boycott doesn't have to be a group.
Speaker C:And what you mean is like can you successfully.
Speaker C:It almost sounds like.
Speaker C:Are you saying, can something be successfully cancelled?
Speaker A:I mean that's kind of the way I.
Speaker C:Groups of people boycott things all the time.
Speaker C:But it doesn't necessarily mean it's going to fold because a group of people are boycotting it.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean and sometimes folding may be the, the, the grand scheme behind it, but most of the time it's just when you talk to large groups of people, you're talking large things.
Speaker A:Most of the time it's just to put just a big of enough dent to pressure that company or those people to and do something different, you know, than they have previously done.
Speaker C:So we consider the Target boycott successful.
Speaker C:I mean because it definitely hurt them financially.
Speaker C:But yeah, my answer, my question would be what the fuck did they change though?
Speaker A:Well, and that's my question.
Speaker C:Like so, so that's what I'm saying.
Speaker C:Like what is the successful boycott?
Speaker C:Because like you can boycott anything.
Speaker C:Some companies are too big to, I shouldn't say too big to fail.
Speaker C:But like that money, that Target, they still making too much money to really, it's not like, it's not like a whole bunch of targets had to close because they lost X number of millions of dollars last year, which they did lose a lot of money.
Speaker C:But I don't know if it really hurt them.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So I looked it up and you know, Gemini says that the boycott, the Target boycott, the Target DEI boycott had a measurable impact on the company's financials and foot, you know, whether it worked is up to the people.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker C:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker C:That was my point.
Speaker C:It's like, yeah, financially, yeah.
Speaker C:Did it hurt them?
Speaker C:Yeah, but it didn't change anything.
Speaker C:I mean Target, Target still has the same DEI stance they had two years ago.
Speaker A:So let's see.
Speaker A: Early: Speaker A:And then it was basically 2.5% off from last year.
Speaker A:The backlash financial pressure contributed to departure of former CEO Brian Cornell and somebody else took over.
Speaker A:Target lost billions in market value and saw his corporate reputation drop significantly before engaging in direct talks with prominent faith and civil rights leaders.
Speaker A: it officially ended on March: Speaker A:They called off Jamal pressed Pastor Jamal Bryant and other leaders officially called off the 400 day target fast staying there reached a compromise they did not.
Speaker A:Target did not fully reinstate his original DEI program but agreed to add $100 million to his existing 2 billion dollar commitment for Black owned businesses.
Speaker A:Introduced a belonging belonging framework, increased minority representation on.
Speaker A:And basically other grassroots groups and civil rights organizations such as the Minneapolis based Radical Justice Network and local activists asserted, like Moby said, the boycott did not truly work because Target failed to roll back his core policy changes and they chose to kept the consumer protest active.
Speaker A:So depending on how you fall in this, I guess we'll determine how you feel about, about it.
Speaker A:As far as, I mean the numbers, I mean 1% of $100.4 billion.
Speaker A:I mean, ouch.
Speaker A:I guess maybe, yeah, you lost some, some corporate shit among other corporate people.
Speaker A:You know, you fell down that list a little bit.
Speaker A:Your CEO quit.
Speaker A:I mean, I guess that's the person who made the decision about getting rid of the DEI program.
Speaker A:So that person ended up you replace with somebody else.
Speaker A:But they really haven't rolled it back and you know, I guess they had a $2 million thing with black owned business, we're going to add an extra hundred million dollars to that drop in the bucket.
Speaker A:So my opinion would say, I mean, it depends on what you were looking for.
Speaker A:It's kind of mixed.
Speaker A:I, I wouldn't take it as a l. I just wouldn't, I take it just like attack.
Speaker A:I mean like as horrible as that was a swallow, this to me is just as bad in my personal opinion.
Speaker A:I mean now seeing reading what happened, The question is, do black people go back to Target?
Speaker A:Now that's my question because I don't go back to Target because I never really went to Target too much.
Speaker A:And if it was going to Target, it was more for specific, specific things.
Speaker A:So I, I don't know.
Speaker A:I mean, AG what do you think about it before you answer the question?
Speaker B:Wait a minute, what do I think.
Speaker A:About what the target situation.
Speaker A:Was it a victory or was it a loss or was it a push?
Speaker B:No, it wasn't anything.
Speaker B:It was, it, it showed that, you know, the black dollar is strong for sure, but it didn't really accomplish anything these people wanted to accomplish.
Speaker B:The idea that they didn't roll back their DEI to where it was before Trump was elected the second time lets me know that it was ultimately a failure.
Speaker B:However, my personal thought is, and with boycotts in general, if the, if the apparatus doesn't fail because of the boycott, then that's one way you didn'.
Speaker B:Another thing that's impossible to win at is really what you.
Speaker B:I think honestly when people boycott, they really want people to change their hearts and minds, which is never, ever, ever, ever going to happen.
Speaker B:Once, once people get locked in and they get comfortable and they have an infrastructure that backs them up on that, that comfort, for better or worse, they're locked in, they're not going anywhere.
Speaker B:So for me, and I didn't, I wasn't even really paying attention to it because I'm just Not going to that.
Speaker B:They did not do the, the basic core thing, but they just threw money to shut people up.
Speaker B:You didn't win.
Speaker B:You did nothing.
Speaker B:You did nothing.
Speaker B:The other thing about boycotting is, and I, and I was reminded of this when, when the Converse issue came up.
Speaker B:I think most people know that Nike acquired Converse some years ago and I have heard pro black people, super black say they want to boycott Converse.
Speaker B:But I'm not giving up my J's.
Speaker B:From a boycott standpoint, in a vacuum, it's like, bruh, what?
Speaker B:From a human standpoint point, I get it.
Speaker B:People have thousands of dollars invested in these shoes.
Speaker B:I totally get.
Speaker B:And we all, well, most of us know and love the shoe very much.
Speaker B:But see, if you, if you are in that bucket, then you solve based on what boycotts are.
Speaker B:Because I go back to a time where people said it was boycotting and they walked to work 10 miles each way for sure.
Speaker B:Now that's a boycott.
Speaker B:Now they were, they, they had a, A, an agenda that was, you know, really sharp and really structured.
Speaker B:We don't want to sit in the back of the bus when we're a human being also.
Speaker B:But did they change hearts and minds?
Speaker B:Did the infrastructure fail because of their boycott?
Speaker B:No, I didn't.
Speaker B:So like Mo B said, it's like you have to define what your objective is, where you were successful or not.
Speaker B:The target thing to me wasn't successful at all.
Speaker B:Now that I know what actually happened, it's even less successful.
Speaker B:The other thing is like my, my poor wife, as I've said on this show many times, I tell her all I tell her when we get into these conversations, I was like, boo, I love you, but you look like the enemy.
Speaker B:You're the enemy.
Speaker B:You're a gorgeous white woman.
Speaker B:You're the enemy.
Speaker B:But she wants to be an ally.
Speaker B:But how can you be an ally and you're mad at a group of people and we get Amazon packages at least twice a week now.
Speaker B:For me, I don't care.
Speaker B:Amazon hasn't really done anything to me.
Speaker B:They are what they are.
Speaker B:They never promised me something and snatched it back.
Speaker B:Walmart is the same way.
Speaker B:But if you're going to boycott, you would actually have to go off GR and your life would have to change.
Speaker B:I don't think, I don't necessarily think a boycott is impossible.
Speaker B:I think to keep your life as you know it is impossible and boycott too.
Speaker B:Because these companies are far reaching.
Speaker B:The Nike thing that I was, I'm going to finish that up was because about 30 years ago, Jesse Jackson called for a boycott at Nike.
Speaker B:Well, he meets Phil Knight in Beaverton.
Speaker B:He walks into the office with a pair of Cole Hans on well, why is that significant?
Speaker B:Because Nike acquired Cole Hans about 35 years ago and Phil Knight brought it up to him.
Speaker B:He said, are you sure you want to be in here, like right now?
Speaker B:He said, what are you talking about?
Speaker B:Well, you walked in here with Cole Hans on so we own them.
Speaker B:The point being is that these companies get so large that their tentacles are everywhere.
Speaker B:Like Ruben brought up the milk.
Speaker B:Yes, we do need milk.
Speaker B:Milk.
Speaker B:If you're boycotting the producers of the milk, you're never going to drink milk again because everybody down the line is a racist.
Speaker B:They don't like you.
Speaker B:Everybody down the line is a bigot.
Speaker B:They don't like you.
Speaker B:And then at this point, you're going to have to buy your own cow.
Speaker B:Are you going to do that?
Speaker B:Now, I'm not saying you couldn't, but I'm saying that you would have to do that to fundamentally boycott that.
Speaker B:And everybody would have to do it.
Speaker B:Or someone very wealthy that you knew was an ally or you knew that black or whatever.
Speaker B:And it has to be the right kind of black because, you know, the, you know, foreign black people don't like us at all.
Speaker B:So you'd have to do all these things to truly boycott one item in your life, which is milk.
Speaker B:Now, you multiply that about times everything that we're doing.
Speaker B:It'd be rough, bro.
Speaker B:Be rough now.
Speaker B:Now, your brother, he could do it because he could live off the land, but it'd be rough, man.
Speaker B:It'd be rough.
Speaker B:You can't keep your life as it is now and participate in a boycott to the nth degree, like to the root, because at some point you're gonna touch something else and then you're gonna touch something else and touch something else and touch something else.
Speaker B:You're always gonna have blood under your fingernails at the very least.
Speaker B:So from that standpoint, with those objectives, it would be nearly impossible or impossible to boycott any converse.
Speaker B:And you gotta get up, J's, gotta give up your cohons, you gotta give up this and that.
Speaker B:Because we don't know what Nike owns.
Speaker B:We don't know where their fingers are.
Speaker B:And that's just one small, you know, small, small example.
Speaker B:So that's my opinion on that, Moby.
Speaker C:I mean, I don't think there's such thing as a successful boycott and a capitalistic society because we've only allowed monopolies of businesses to do exactly what AG Said.
Speaker C:Businesses are everywhere.
Speaker C:So you.
Speaker C:Essentially, everybody you're boycotting has monopoly in some aspect of life that you proactively can't live without based on your current lifestyle.
Speaker C:So, I mean, if.
Speaker C:If.
Speaker C:If you're like, hey, man, I'm all these AI Companies, man, I'm.
Speaker C:I'm doing away with it because I'm boycotting AI.
Speaker C:You can't touch anything electronic or anything that connect to the Internet.
Speaker C:Like, if you're like.
Speaker C:Like, you said shoes, all shoe companies own each other.
Speaker C:Like, I bowl, like, so many.
Speaker C:I know bowlers who are like, oh, man, I don't use Storm products.
Speaker C:Or I don't lose road.
Speaker C:I'm like, yeah, but Storm owns, like, four other manufacturers of products that you do use.
Speaker C:They own rotogrip.
Speaker C:They own Ebonite.
Speaker C:Like, they're owning all these other companies.
Speaker C:So you're not ever boycotting one thing.
Speaker C:So, like, unless you're doing a principled st.
Speaker C:Moral boycotting, which I do that a lot.
Speaker C:I'll be honest.
Speaker C:I. I do do a lot of moral boycotting of things myself.
Speaker C:Like, I'll.
Speaker C:I'll use Stephen A. Smith.
Speaker C:Like, I don't watch any show Stephen A. Smith is on.
Speaker C:I just won't.
Speaker C:It doesn't mean I don't still inevitably hear what he says because people just can't help themselves putting the clips everywhere.
Speaker C:But I don't watch any show that he's on.
Speaker C:If he's.
Speaker C:If.
Speaker C:If it's his show or if he's on the show, I'm out.
Speaker B:Out.
Speaker C:I don't watch it.
Speaker C:And I'm hardlined on that.
Speaker C:Like, if.
Speaker C:If for some reason, University of Georgia football was on.
Speaker C:They had Stephen A. Smith doing color commentating.
Speaker C:I'm.
Speaker C:I'm just gonna have to follow the school online because I'm.
Speaker C:I'm not gonna watch it with him up there.
Speaker C:Now, I don't boycott because I think my voice matters.
Speaker C:That's just for me.
Speaker C:That's my own principal stance.
Speaker C:Like, you know what?
Speaker C:I'm not gonna do this.
Speaker C:I don't care what the rest of your y' all do.
Speaker C:I'm not gonna do this.
Speaker C:But that's the only successful boycotts we have, are the principled stance boycotts, because collectively we have.
Speaker C:We have become slaves to capitalists and stuff to the point where we can't.
Speaker C:We.
Speaker C:We don't have any type of unity in which we all could get together and be like, we ain't doing that.
Speaker C:Like, once again, like, AG Said, civil rights, when, you know they boycotted the bus lines and stuff.
Speaker C:Hey, they all had a agend that everybody was on board with.
Speaker C:We ain't got no agenda like that that all of us would be on board with now because money is what we're all after at the end of the day.
Speaker C:We're not after equality.
Speaker C:We're not after freedom.
Speaker C:We're not after justice.
Speaker C:Essentially, most people walk around just wanting enough finances to live the way they want to, and most people will sell out everything to get to that finance.
Speaker C:And as long as that's the case.
Speaker C:Case, you boycotting.
Speaker C:Like, Like I said, that Target boycott did nothing.
Speaker C:I.
Speaker C:Trust me, Target ain't hurting.
Speaker C:Even.
Speaker C:Even the person who had to quit.
Speaker C:So what?
Speaker C:He good.
Speaker C:Trust me, he's paid.
Speaker C:He.
Speaker C:It ain't like he's fired.
Speaker C:He went to unemployment the next week trying to get a check.
Speaker C:Like, he.
Speaker C:I promise you, he's good.
Speaker A:Got you.
Speaker A:Gotcha, Moco.
Speaker A:Cowboy hits us up.
Speaker A:Is there anything you guys are currently boycotting?
Speaker A:Oh, wow.
Speaker C:I just told you my thing.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker C:I don't do the Stephen A. Smith, man.
Speaker C:The Stephen A. Smith I'm out on.
Speaker C:And you know what?
Speaker C:Getting real close to the Pat McAfee thing, too.
Speaker C:I'm just like, I'm just over it.
Speaker C:Like, I'm just like, I know I'm old school.
Speaker C:I sound like one of them grumpy old man.
Speaker C:I'm just like, yo, man, I wish we could just be talking about sports and be okay with that.
Speaker C:Like, I wish.
Speaker C:I wish it was just enough to just talk about the game and not feel like you got to be the superstar.
Speaker C:Miss the old broadcasters who were only big because they were the voice of your team, but they.
Speaker C:They didn't really feel like they were trying to be bigger than the athletes.
Speaker C:Stephen A. Smith truly believes he's more relevant and.
Speaker C:And more the reason you're watching a show than the actual sports and shit that he's talking about.
Speaker C:And it oozes out when he talks, and I just can't.
Speaker C:So, yeah, now can I boycott espn?
Speaker C:I mean, I probably could, but I don't have a.
Speaker C:The espn.
Speaker C:I mean, they.
Speaker C:They pay these two people that I don't like.
Speaker C:But, I mean, I. I like the sports, so I'm not boycotting the sport.
Speaker C:I did boycott baseball for a while.
Speaker C:I went like, two years without watching any baseball.
Speaker C:Like, I was just like, I'm done with baseball, and I still ain't really got back on that bandwagon.
Speaker C:Every once in a while, I might get caught In a baseball game for like, an inning.
Speaker C:And then I'm just like, nah, kind of.
Speaker C:I kind of.
Speaker C:I outgrown this.
Speaker C:And I'm still a fan of baseball.
Speaker C:I just.
Speaker C:I don't know, man.
Speaker C:A long time ago, I just.
Speaker C:I feel like the Barry Bonds thing did.
Speaker C:Did them dirty, man.
Speaker C:Like, when people were just like, hey, these steroids people can't make the hall of Fame.
Speaker C:I'm just like, what the.
Speaker C:You got a Hall of Fame for.
Speaker A:All are very good.
Speaker A:What about you, A.J.
Speaker A:You boycotting anything right now?
Speaker B:Well, like I said, it's just.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I don't go to Target.
Speaker B:Uh, it gives me the as.
Speaker B:As the women say nowadays, it gives me the ick.
Speaker B:Because of what I said, it's like, I understand who Walmart is, all of these companies.
Speaker B:I understand who Amazon is, but they never.
Speaker B:They never blatantly betrayed me.
Speaker B:They ain't lie.
Speaker B:I ain't gonna say it's a lie, but the betrayal isn't there with those.
Speaker B:Those companies.
Speaker B:I'm like, Target went all in and had all these people feeling comfortable thinking that they were an ally.
Speaker B:And then Trump becomes president and they bend the knee for what?
Speaker B:He can't affect you.
Speaker B:And I'm like, oh, okay.
Speaker B:This is how it is.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:So I felt that right away.
Speaker B:So for that reason alone, I'm like, I'm good.
Speaker B:And again, kind of like Ruben, I don't want to seem like I'm, like, super black because.
Speaker B:Because I'm not.
Speaker B:Because I understand what Ruben's saying.
Speaker B:I never really went to Target for real to start with, but now the times that I would have gone to Target, I'm really not going to Target.
Speaker B:Like, there are a few times where I'm like, it would be so easy to whip out my phone, whatever it is, but I'm like, nah, I'm good.
Speaker B:I'll either wait or I'll just do without.
Speaker B:But those times are few and far between, so I want to be completely transparent here.
Speaker B:But I did feel that betrayal.
Speaker B:And the biggest thing is you betrayed me when you didn't have to.
Speaker B:You're a privately held company.
Speaker B:The government can't do anything to you.
Speaker C:They were loud in public about something that they didn't need to be loud in public about.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:They started this whole thing.
Speaker B:No one was tripping that there weren't rainbows in there, except for, you know, a handful of the demographic in this country.
Speaker B:No one was tripping that they had black people and black products in these.
Speaker B:In Target like that for Real.
Speaker B:No one was really, really, like.
Speaker B:It was kind of, like, neutral.
Speaker B:They didn't have to do what they did.
Speaker B:There is no way that you can slice this pie and make me believe that they had to do what they did, but they did it anyway, which lets me know who you are.
Speaker B:Fundamentally, I feel like they wanted to be where they are, and they thought black people would just fall in line like we usually do, but they was wrong this time.
Speaker B:But at the same time, after a.
Speaker A:While,.
Speaker B:Black people up in there and they put it on Instagram like a flex so they can do them.
Speaker B:I'm not going back.
Speaker B:It's like that particular betrayal was immediate and present to me.
Speaker B:Like, bro, really?
Speaker B:Come on, man.
Speaker B:And again, the biggest thing is about what I just said.
Speaker B:Why I felt the betrayal was because you didn't have to do any of it.
Speaker B:You could have just existed and kept it moving, but you chose to be a champion in this.
Speaker B:And really.
Speaker B:All right, whatever.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:I was always wondering, like, I know Target collectively lost money, and I get that, but I was always wondering, like, were there certain areas in which Target saw increases?
Speaker C:Because, like, I can see east coast, west coast, major cities.
Speaker C:Target took a hit.
Speaker C:But I feel like there's a pocket of southern parts and middle America where Target was probably celebrated in some of those areas for taking this stance.
Speaker C:So I'm wondering if they just kind of miscalculated the money a little bit.
Speaker C:They were like, hey, we know we're going to get some blowback, but we.
Speaker C:We think we're going to get enough of this good, white, conservative money.
Speaker C:And the black people, you know, they can't really stick to anything financially, so we ain't going to take that much of a hit.
Speaker C:I'm wondering if they were actually legit surprised that they lost money.
Speaker B:No, they were.
Speaker B:Because.
Speaker B:And I Lauren this.
Speaker B:When it first happened, I was like, you know.
Speaker B:Cause I didn't believe anything.
Speaker B:Any of it would work, honestly.
Speaker B:But three months later, we're sitting in the car, and I'm like, is this, like, for real?
Speaker B:She said, yes, boo, Boo.
Speaker B:This is for real.
Speaker B:And so my next question was, like, Mo was talking about.
Speaker B:I thought, honestly, in my heart of hearts, I thought that the white community would rally and fill the void because.
Speaker C:One would kind of like they do with Chick Fil A.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker C:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker C:Like, no matter how.
Speaker C:No matter how much Chick Fil A mess up, man, then white people still gonna be there, bro.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:But the funny thing was, it didn't happen for Target.
Speaker B:Because they pissed off those Middle America people and those Southern people just the right way, where they were boycotting Target before we was boycotting Target, because when they started with all this rainbow stuff and all the inclusion stuff from a gay, lesbian point of view, lgbtq, AI point of view, a lot of that demographic were pissed, and they never came back.
Speaker B:Even when they bent the knee, they were like, you ain't for real.
Speaker B:So you had two different demographics that were on the opposite sides, polar opposites that became two sides of the same coin for one company at the same time.
Speaker B:That is the part that they're not mentioning.
Speaker B:And based on some of the numbers that I had seen, and then just talking to people at work, like, there are a lot of conservative dudes at work.
Speaker B:In fact, I don't know a liberal dude at work that's not black.
Speaker B:For real.
Speaker B:And I'm like, they were freaking pissed, man.
Speaker B:They were like, man, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:And I'm like, okay, I hear you, player.
Speaker B:They did not come to the rescue.
Speaker B:They let him drown.
Speaker B:They boycotted them, and they still.
Speaker B:They ain't going back.
Speaker B:They not going back.
Speaker B:Now, I don't know if that's the entire region, the Southern region, or the entire Midwest, but, man, I'm telling you, a lot of these people were mad.
Speaker B:Still mad.
Speaker B:Because once you.
Speaker B:Once.
Speaker B:I will say this.
Speaker B:Once they slap that WOKE label on you, if you want them back, you don't hold your breath.
Speaker B:That's all I'm saying.
Speaker B:Those white folks did not fill the void that black folks left.
Speaker B:But then, you know, like we always do, black people came back anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
Speaker B:But in the.
Speaker B:In the moment, that void that we created, white folks let it.
Speaker B:Let it be a hole because of the betrayal.
Speaker B:Their.
Speaker B:Their feeling of betrayal before we were paying attention to it, because when they started with the LGBTQ AI thing, they were instantly like, no, I'm not doing this.
Speaker B:Deuces.
Speaker B:They went back to Walmart.
Speaker B:I mean, people driving $150,000 suburban at Walmart, bump Target F them.
Speaker B:They was legit.
Speaker B:They never came back.
Speaker C:I mean, Target just had bad marketing, man.
Speaker C:All they needed to do was get Dana White and Kid Rock to do some Target commercials.
Speaker B:Dana White's a lot of things, but he is not a dumb man.
Speaker B:He would never do.
Speaker B:Do that, sir.
Speaker C:I don't know, man.
Speaker C:Dana White does a lot of things that ain't necessarily in that company's best interest.
Speaker C:Like, you know, suck.
Speaker C:Publicly suck the president's dick in a commercial.
Speaker C:Like, I Can't unhear.
Speaker C:Keep talking about how much Trump loves America.
Speaker C:I'm just like, man, you make me dislike you more and more.
Speaker C:It's hard to dislike a person that I haven't met so much.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:But hear me out, man.
Speaker B:Has anything he's done that's craz off brand.
Speaker C:That's why I said Target should have been like, yo, man, what's up, Dana?
Speaker C:What's up, kid?
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:Like, bro, you he off brand.
Speaker C:Especially Kid Rock.
Speaker C:Because Kid Rock, like, yo, man, they're like, yo, we know ain't nobody coming to your concert.
Speaker C:For real.
Speaker C:Like, you could do this, you know, do this commercial.
Speaker B:Kid Ross said, I got my money.
Speaker B:I don't need no money.
Speaker B:Like I said, man, it's just.
Speaker B:Is the Target situation is.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:That's all.
Speaker B:So that's what I.
Speaker B:That's what I'm.
Speaker B:I don't.
Speaker B:I haven't been in so long.
Speaker B:Even though if I'm calling a boycott at this point, it's like, I just don't go to Target.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:A couple things before I answer the question.
Speaker A:One, apparently there's an article about black women still boycotting Target.
Speaker A:So there's that.
Speaker A:Take it for what is what it is.
Speaker C:I mean, I'm sure there's still some people who will give you the side eye if you day you pick something up from Target.
Speaker C:It just.
Speaker C:It just is what it is.
Speaker C:It's gonna be like, that stink ain't gonna go nowhere for a long time from the black community.
Speaker C:Yeah, people gonna sneak to Target, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker C:How they had a hat.
Speaker C:Hat on.
Speaker C:They sunglasses on,.
Speaker A:Don't see me.
Speaker A:Like, I told y' all about the time.
Speaker A:I didn't.
Speaker A:I. I completely forgot that I was in that.
Speaker A:That the boycott was going on, because I looked around, want no black people in there.
Speaker A:And I was like,.
Speaker C:Me and you both went there.
Speaker C:We went to Target up in Fredericksburg, and we was like.
Speaker C:Because we was picking up something for work.
Speaker C:We were picking up some work stuff, and we was looking around.
Speaker C:We was like, oh, snap.
Speaker C:Because white people were looking at us like, are they sure they in the right place?
Speaker C:We was like, we forgot, bro.
Speaker C:Like, we didn't know.
Speaker C:We.
Speaker C:We didn't know.
Speaker A:Our bad.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:We'll just get this in a row.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker C:Tell us what Walmart is.
Speaker C:You know what I'm saying, black man, can you tell me where the nearest Walmart is?
Speaker B:Well, my question to y' all was, when y' all went in there Were there black people still working there?
Speaker A:Maybe one or two, But I mean,.
Speaker C:Like, one or two working there.
Speaker C:I don't think I saw any black.
Speaker A:No, no, we saw, like, one or two.
Speaker B:We saw that.
Speaker C:We saw.
Speaker C:We saw one black lady, and she was with a white guy.
Speaker C:And they were.
Speaker C:They were talking at the register.
Speaker C:Because that's what me and you pointed out.
Speaker C:We was like, yo, that's the first other black person we just seen.
Speaker A:Yeah, we looked around.
Speaker A:It was like.
Speaker B:Like, oh, the first black person y' all saw was somebody that worked there.
Speaker A:No, no, they were leaving.
Speaker B:Yeah, they were leaving.
Speaker B:Oh, oh, okay.
Speaker B:I see what you're saying.
Speaker A:They were shopping.
Speaker A:You know, she would.
Speaker A:She was shopping with her white partner.
Speaker A:Maybe.
Speaker C:Yeah, we don't know they store, but.
Speaker B:We know they were together.
Speaker A:Yeah, they were together.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:And then was just like, oh, we didn't get out.
Speaker A:We gotta get the up out of.
Speaker B:Here, Y' all in the sucking place, bro.
Speaker A:And then literally, I went to the one in Hampton, cuz I was looking for something specific that I just didn't realize, man.
Speaker A:I walked in.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker C:How bad is that, man?
Speaker C:You got to put a disclaimer on it when you went in.
Speaker C:Like, I went Target, but I was looking for something specific.
Speaker A:No, think the black congregation.
Speaker C:Something cancel you.
Speaker A:I'm just saying, man.
Speaker A:I was looking for literally something specific.
Speaker A:And I walked in, I took like, 20 steps, and I was like, oh, they had.
Speaker A:Have it.
Speaker A:So I left.
Speaker A:I mean, I don't buy from there.
Speaker A:No way.
Speaker A:Like, I don't walk.
Speaker A:I don't walk in the parking lot ever.
Speaker A:Like, it's so far out of my bead path.
Speaker A:There's no reason for me to ever go over there unless I'm going some specific.
Speaker A:That's thing number one.
Speaker A:Number two, it's interesting you brought up Kid Rock, man.
Speaker A:And four days.
Speaker A:No, no, I'm sorry.
Speaker A:Six days.
Speaker A:Kid Rock is releasing his Christian gospel themed album.
Speaker A:Look, man, do we not learn from Kanye, bro?
Speaker A:Like, come on, man.
Speaker A:That's number one.
Speaker C:What is he supposed to learn from Kanye?
Speaker C:Because you realize.
Speaker C:You realize Kanye right now is still selling out concerts.
Speaker C:So saying.
Speaker C:So saying, don't be like Kanye to a music person that's desperately trying to still be relevant.
Speaker C:Is it exactly the move?
Speaker C:Because they're probably like, I wish I could be Kanye.
Speaker A:Well, I'm crazy.
Speaker C:Do I have to say to still be relevant?
Speaker A:You know?
Speaker B:And I gotta respect that hustle, man, because he's the only person that I have ever known that can be anti semitic.
Speaker B:And still exist and thrive in the entertainment industry.
Speaker B:I mean, cuz, you know, it's Jewish dominated.
Speaker B:From, from a executive standpoint, it's one.
Speaker C:Of the few times in which like I almost feel like is he the rare anomaly case of good to be black?
Speaker C:Because I feel like a white person.
Speaker C:If a white person has done all the stuff that Kanye did, I don't know if he would still be universally celebrated by every.
Speaker C:Because like you to a Kanye concert right now, it's all types of people in there.
Speaker C:It's not just one group of people that support him, it's all types of people.
Speaker C:And I'm not sure if any white person could say borderline racist, anti semitic proxy and still be celebrated by everybody.
Speaker B:You're not wrong about that.
Speaker C:He might be the anomaly.
Speaker C:He, he might be the shooting star of like good to be black.
Speaker B:Nah, I think that's gonna be good to be Kanye.
Speaker B:But my question after that, the follow up question is what quality does he have to straddle the fence?
Speaker B:Just like, just so how does he do that?
Speaker C:Here's the thing Angie, hear me out.
Speaker C:I think the reason I'm saying good to be black is because we've seen white celebrities have similar like far out outlandish that they've said.
Speaker C:And what happens is there's a group of people that's just going to quit them because they're just like, hey, we can't tolerate this.
Speaker C:You said Nazi shit.
Speaker C:So people not going to tolerate you.
Speaker C:Say anti Semitic.
Speaker C:People not going to tolerate you.
Speaker C:You said anti black shit.
Speaker C:People not going to tolerate you.
Speaker C:But I think his pigmentation is actually a cloak because white people don't quit him because I mean it's Kanye and black people kind of like with the R. Kelly and Michael Jackson thing, like we don't want to quit black.
Speaker C:We, we don't.
Speaker C:Like no matter how much he lets us down, we still kind of wanna.
Speaker C:Yeah, but you know, he got mental health issues and is that what we're doing?
Speaker C:I'm not saying I do, but I'm saying like I've heard people like really come to his defense.
Speaker C:Well, you know, he lost his mom and I'm just like, he not the only person to lose his mom.
Speaker C:Like I, I, I just feel like he is the rare example of like everything works out perfect so he can somehow get away with this.
Speaker C:And I feel like if he was white, I don't know if he could get away with all the stuff he said.
Speaker C:He might still be popular because he's immensely talented but I think there'd at least be one group of people that would just be like, we done with him.
Speaker B:So you.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:So you mean to tell me, like, there are Jewish people that still rock with Kanye for real?
Speaker C:Real.
Speaker C:You just said yourself the music industry is dominated by what, Jewish people?
Speaker C:And he's still pretty relevant.
Speaker A:Yeah,.
Speaker B:I mean, I just think that's just fantastic.
Speaker C:It's amazing.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's a case study.
Speaker C:Like, I would, like, that is a documentary I would watch if somebody was just like, yo, we're going to literally just examine, not examination Kanye, examine the ebb and flow of his career and just figure out how.
Speaker A:How is this dude survived.
Speaker C:Like, how,.
Speaker A:Bro?
Speaker C:Because every time I thought it was over for him.
Speaker C:It's not.
Speaker C:Like, it was like, yo, he's got all these sellout concerts for the last couple weeks.
Speaker C:I'm like, how.
Speaker C:You mean the same dude that.
Speaker C:That dropped that Somewhat guy basketball album, bro?
Speaker A:He had the goddamn.
Speaker A:I'm telling you, man.
Speaker A:Closed on Sunday about Chick Fil?
Speaker A:A being closed.
Speaker A:I was done.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker C:I'm.
Speaker A:Man, you can't pay me to listen to that no more.
Speaker A:Like, ever.
Speaker B:It was one of your first shows.
Speaker B:I'll never forget it.
Speaker A:It was my first show.
Speaker B:That's what I thought.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But then it got erased, so I had to go back on my second show or repeat it.
Speaker A:Yo, man, we.
Speaker C:We've talked about that album before.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker C:And I get it, Ruben.
Speaker A:So it sold 560, 000 units.
Speaker B:That's it.
Speaker A:The fact that it sold 560, 000 units is already a problem.
Speaker B:I hear you, but I mean, did.
Speaker C:It even have a.
Speaker C:Did it even have a radio single?
Speaker A:I was looking it up.
Speaker C:Because that's actually super impressive.
Speaker C:If it did even have a radio single.
Speaker A:Yeah, he.
Speaker A:Give me a second.
Speaker C:I mean, forgive me if I don't remember, because I tried to remember, not remember ever listening.
Speaker A:Give a.
Speaker A:Follow God and closed on Sundays.
Speaker A: in: Speaker C:Wow.
Speaker A:Closed on Sunday.
Speaker A:The Bench had chick flick.
Speaker A:Look, I can't, man.
Speaker A:I'm just gonna get mad.
Speaker A:I can't.
Speaker A:I can't, man.
Speaker A:Is.
Speaker A:And so here's why.
Speaker A:Here's the other part.
Speaker A:I brought the kick rock, right?
Speaker A:Like hell, man.
Speaker A:You know, somebody's career is pretty much done when they do stupid.
Speaker A:In my opinion.
Speaker A:Stupid.
Speaker A:So he's got a track from Gary Levox Radio.
Speaker A:Rascal Flats.
Speaker A:Makes sense.
Speaker A:Jimmy Allen.
Speaker A:I guess that makes sense, man.
Speaker A:Eminem is on one of these tracks.
Speaker A:How much money did he give Eminem to be on this.
Speaker A:This album?
Speaker A:I want to call it stupid and just negative connotations, but I haven't heard it.
Speaker A:And you know what?
Speaker A:I'm not gonna hear it because I refuse to.
Speaker A:To be fooled one more time that a real.
Speaker A:That an artist comes out with decent gospel music.
Speaker A:Because I was fooled with Kanye, man.
Speaker A:Never again.
Speaker A:Never again.
Speaker A:I'm not getting fooled again.
Speaker A:And I'm not saying.
Speaker A:I'm not saying K Rock's great now, but at least he had an album that was remotely decent back in the day.
Speaker A:So, like, you tend to give those people some grace.
Speaker A:I gave Kanye some grace.
Speaker A:Kanye.
Speaker A:I ain't never giving that grace no bow.
Speaker A:Like, I'm just not doing it.
Speaker A:I can't.
Speaker A:He removed all between that.
Speaker A:Hold on.
Speaker A:Hold on.
Speaker A:Between that and the damn Underground Railroad that he said, I was done.
Speaker A:I'm done with that, man.
Speaker A:I. I can't.
Speaker A:I can't make myself listen to Kanye New Kanye.
Speaker A:I just can't do it.
Speaker C:Reuben, I'm not questioning anything you're saying.
Speaker C:I'm simply say, saying it's almost disrespectful to Kanye that you're bringing up Kid Rock in the context of him.
Speaker C:And I'm just saying, talent wise, like you say, at least Kid Rock made an album that was respectable.
Speaker C:When has Kid Rock made an album?
Speaker C:In the 21st century?
Speaker C:In the 21st, 21st century.
Speaker C:When's the last Kid Rock album that had relevancy?
Speaker A:I mean, probably his first one.
Speaker A:I'm just.
Speaker C:What year is that?
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I gotta look this up, man.
Speaker A:I'm just mad at Kanye.
Speaker A:I'm super mad at Kanye, man.
Speaker C:I understand all that.
Speaker C:I'm simply saying, apples the oranges on the talent comparison, man.
Speaker C:Apples.
Speaker C:Like, we can say whatever we want about Kanye personally.
Speaker C:We not gonna sit here and act like dude ain't talented.
Speaker C:I would argue the Kid Rock thing in the talent.
Speaker C:I would.
Speaker C:I would really argue it.
Speaker A:That's fine.
Speaker A:And I'm not gonna be mad at that argument, man.
Speaker A:I'm just.
Speaker A:I'm just.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:And I'm just saying, man, like, that's that.
Speaker A:I'm sorry.
Speaker C:Blueprint, man.
Speaker C:Like, look, man, no.
Speaker C:Nobody.
Speaker C:Nobody ever gives credit to the pioneers, man.
Speaker C:He's the blueprint, man.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker C:Like, I mean, we.
Speaker C:We.
Speaker C:We say we want to buy Kid Rapper, you know, Macklemore, Jelly Roll, all these other white people who will follow suit, man.
Speaker C:He is the blueprint.
Speaker C:Okay, so he's Got to navigate these trails so they can get there, man.
Speaker C:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker C:He's got to walk so they can run.
Speaker A:Just in case you care, he does have a new video out for his leading.
Speaker A:So I.
Speaker A:Song James 1:17, Jesus is king.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm not watching that because I just reviewed.
Speaker A:Like, that's there.
Speaker A:That's terrible.
Speaker A:The fact that he's made a video and in the.
Speaker A:In the clip.
Speaker A:Not the clip, but the little thumbnail they got, he's in front of, like, five crosses, man, that's on the wall.
Speaker A:Like, I'm already done.
Speaker C:I'm actually just curious because I don't roll in circles.
Speaker C:That would be Kid Rock fans for real.
Speaker C:So I'm almost like.
Speaker C:I'm really genuinely curious.
Speaker C:Like, does Kid Rock have fans of his music still?
Speaker C:Or there are people who are just fans of his Persona?
Speaker A:I think it's a little bit of both.
Speaker C:I'm sure it is a little bit both.
Speaker C:But I'm wondering if he really does.
Speaker C:I'm wondering if there's somebody out there somewhere who's just like, man, I just love me some Kid Rock music.
Speaker C:And it ain't got nothing to do with his public Persona.
Speaker C:Just like, yo, man, Kid Ross music just makes me feel good.
Speaker C:Good.
Speaker A:Well, because.
Speaker C:Because I feel like I don't think that person exists, which is unfair to him.
Speaker B:But you said it anyway.
Speaker C:No, no, no, no.
Speaker C:But I say it's unfair to him because, like, just because I don't think that person exists.
Speaker C:I know, like, the chances of statistically that being true is not.
Speaker C:Not real.
Speaker C:Because I don't care how good somebody's public Persona is if he's still making music, if people are still asking for music.
Speaker C:There's got to be some people out there who are really just like, yeah, Kid Rock.
Speaker C:Even if they're just like, yeah, I only like his old stuff because look, yeah.
Speaker C:You know, the Kanye people out there is like, yo, man, college dropout was my.
Speaker A:And then, I don't know.
Speaker C:This new Kanye is like, you know, 808 heartbreaks, has some banging ass beats.
Speaker C:But I don't know about this new.
Speaker A:I mean, it's so like, with Kid Rock, I feel like he spoke to the.
Speaker A:I. I said younger, poor white America because he could relate to them, because apparently that's where he was at.
Speaker A:You know, when he came out with Bob with the buy, it was high energy, you know, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:You know, let's get in the pit and love someone.
Speaker A:Yeah, let's get in the Pit and smash around all day.
Speaker A:Like, that's what he was saying to them.
Speaker A:So, like, you know, those type of.
Speaker A:That type of energy he was going for, and he did very well with it.
Speaker A:I mean it.
Speaker A:Because I think a lot of it was they looked at him and they saw themselves in him just like how you.
Speaker A:A lot of people like certain people because they see themselves in them.
Speaker A:Now, there is, you know, there is BK and there's, you know, AK there's before Kanye and after Kanye.
Speaker A:Like, anything before.
Speaker A:Before that gospel album, for the most part, I'm going to give it a thumbs up.
Speaker A:Anything after that.
Speaker A:No, I don't even.
Speaker A:I have not listened to any old Kanye since, like, newer Kanye since that gospel album.
Speaker A:Now, I'm not saying that he has not produced some that I may have heard, but if that says Kanye west on the byline, even if he's eating somebody else's, I'm not listening to it.
Speaker A:And that's just.
Speaker C:I don't know, man.
Speaker C:I don't know if I say anything before that kind of thing.
Speaker C:I give a thumbs up because he did have that scooby whoop.
Speaker B:He did.
Speaker A:He did.
Speaker C:That was.
Speaker C:That was a real thing.
Speaker A:But that's better.
Speaker C:That was a real thing, Ruben.
Speaker C:No, no, no.
Speaker C:Hear me out, Ruben.
Speaker C:That was real.
Speaker C:That was.
Speaker C:Was.
Speaker C:That wasn't like a skit on the album.
Speaker C:That wasn't like a joke.
Speaker C:He wasn't making fun of himself.
Speaker C:That was a real thing.
Speaker A:But that's what he was going through all times, man.
Speaker C:He was in the studio and he was like, this is a hit.
Speaker C:This.
Speaker C:Yo.
Speaker C:Y don't even know about this.
Speaker C:This is.
Speaker C:This is that new wave.
Speaker C:Like, he felt.
Speaker C:He said it with his whole chest, Ruben.
Speaker C:Like, he knew that was hot.
Speaker A:I'm telling you, man, everybody gotta up like, no, no,.
Speaker C:That's true.
Speaker C:But what I'm saying is, like, yo, man, let's.
Speaker C:Let's just not, like, revision.
Speaker C:Revision.
Speaker A:I'm just saying, man.
Speaker C:Just say, I like old Kanye better.
Speaker C:Everybody got one, man.
Speaker A:That's all I'm saying.
Speaker A:Everybody got one that cruises out was two.
Speaker A:We don't do two.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker C:I don't know if everybody got one like that.
Speaker C:Like, everybody might have one where we be like, oh, I don't know.
Speaker C:I don't know what he was going for in this one.
Speaker C:Or he was trying something different, but it just didn't land.
Speaker C:Most people ain't got a scoopy whoop.
Speaker C:Like, I don't even remember the track.
Speaker C:That's how Crazy.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker A:I don't even know what track you're talking about, so I must have heard it and wiped it from my memory completely.
Speaker C:Anybody who knows what I'm talking about knows what I'm talking about.
Speaker A:Hell, I'm just.
Speaker A:Just you saying it makes me not.
Speaker A:I'm.
Speaker A:I'm about.
Speaker A:I was almost like, was I on a gospel album?
Speaker C:Nope.
Speaker C:Go ahead.
Speaker C:Go ahead.
Speaker C:You YouTube it.
Speaker C:Thank me later.
Speaker A:No, hell, no.
Speaker A:No, no, no, no, just yet, bro.
Speaker C:It ain't about that.
Speaker C:Like, just trust me.
Speaker C:Just.
Speaker C:You got.
Speaker C:Because that.
Speaker C:That is the musical sound of Kanye basically saying, I don't give two shits about nothing.
Speaker A:I'm just saying, man.
Speaker C:And that was when we, as a community should have wrapped our arms around this brother and said, hey, son, it's gonna be okay.
Speaker C:We love you regardless.
Speaker C:You don't have to go down this road.
Speaker C:We.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker C:We understand you don't want to go way back there, but you ain't got to go over here either.
Speaker C:Like, we.
Speaker B:Is that what we have to do, sir?
Speaker B:Is that what we have to do?
Speaker C:We don't have to do that ag.
Speaker C:But I feel like that was a.
Speaker C:That was a moment in time in which we, as a community could have came together for our brother and just been like, hey, man, this ain't the move, man.
Speaker C:Like, I know you going through stuff, man.
Speaker C:And, like, man, there's better ways.
Speaker C:Look, I appreciate the fact that you had this outlet to express yourself, but, like, we got to find a more healthy and constructive, effective way to express this diarrhea of the mouth that you are verbally, you know, salting us with verbally assaulting.
Speaker B:I help you out with that.
Speaker C:We can do better than this.
Speaker C:Like, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker C:We.
Speaker C:We got you, though.
Speaker C:Like, that was when we, as a community could have came and shown him that we really loved him for him, and then maybe he wouldn't start talking about Nazi and slavery is a choice.
Speaker A:And then making a gospel.
Speaker C:And then making a gospel album that doesn't feel like God has anything to do with it.
Speaker A:Hey, man.
Speaker A:Chick fil a club on Sunday, baby.
Speaker C:Hey, look, man, I'm.
Speaker C:I'm not trying to tell nobody how.
Speaker C:How they gospel album supposed to be.
Speaker C:Look, I can't make no music.
Speaker C:I ain't got no musical talent.
Speaker C:So I'm not here to pass judgment on your gospel album for not being good or bad because it's something I didn't like.
Speaker C:But as I expressed to you multiple times on this show, the most amazing thing about his gospel album was.
Speaker C:It's the one of the first times I've listened to.
Speaker C:To anything that's supposed to be a gospel like album and felt nothing.
Speaker C:That itself is amazing.
Speaker B:Yes, I remember when you said it, see.
Speaker A:And that's why I'm on this show.
Speaker A:To be like, yo, man, that skippity whoop was the beginning.
Speaker A:That was a prelude and we didn't catch him in time.
Speaker A:And I'm sorry.
Speaker A:Like, I apologize to him too, because I'm sorry.
Speaker C:It's not the first time that we as a community have let us, our musical brethren down when they were on a track asking for help.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker B:That what he's doing, asking for help.
Speaker C:I mean, it's just like.
Speaker C:It's just like, yo, Re.
Speaker C:I point out all the time when the song comes on and like, I point it out to other people and then other people can't unhear it.
Speaker C:So, Ag, I'm.
Speaker C:I'm going to say it to you too.
Speaker C:There's a song called Starting to See Spaceships on Bankhead by the artist called.
Speaker A:Fake and say that one more time.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's Starships on Bank.
Speaker C:He said that the hook is, I'm starting to see Starships on Bankhead.
Speaker A:Let me get the official name for it.
Speaker C:I forgot what it's called, but there's a part of the song at the end of it.
Speaker C:Is it Scotty Beam me up.
Speaker A:It's called Scotty.
Speaker C:Yeah, Scotty.
Speaker A:Scotty.
Speaker C:So, Ag, there's a part of the song at the end, like the debate, the beat, thumbs.
Speaker C:Hey, I'm with it.
Speaker C:Like.
Speaker C:Like, he got stupid flow.
Speaker C:His lyrics ain't great, but like, yo, you feeling the song, the song, the song gets you moving.
Speaker C:You get like, hey, man, this is.
Speaker C:This is nice.
Speaker C:And until last 30 seconds and until it's the end of the song, the beats going.
Speaker C:And he basically starts doing this chant where he says, I just want to be free.
Speaker C:And then you hear him in the background.
Speaker C:Ag, you literally hear him in the background going, going, help me, help me, help me.
Speaker C:And I'm just like, yo, there's everybody in the studio going, hey, bro, this got a problem, bro.
Speaker C:The song is basically about doing drugs.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:He's literally, help me, help me.
Speaker C:And I'm just like, yo, the producer room.
Speaker C:Hey, bro, we gotta get this to rehab.
Speaker C:Like, we can't, we can't.
Speaker C:We can't release this track.
Speaker C:Like, what are you doing, man?
Speaker C:Like, I get it, the song own slap, but we, we gotta do better by him.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker C:Angie, when we get off the show, we gonna play that for you.
Speaker C:Just the last part of it.
Speaker C:And look, and every time I said to people like, Reuben, when you heard it, did you actually hear him doing the help me part, or did I.
Speaker B:Have to point it out to you?
Speaker C:I just.
Speaker C:Like, I can't be the only one that hears it.
Speaker A:I can't even listen to that no more because I feel bad.
Speaker A:I feel like he needs help.
Speaker A:Everybody's just letting me.
Speaker A:Him die right on the microphone.
Speaker A:Like, I feel like he got shot and everybody's just looking, help me, help me.
Speaker C:It's just consistent.
Speaker C:I'm just like, yeah, man, the producer.
Speaker C:Like, even if you weren't in, like, even if somebody just mailed him to be and he did the flow in it, like, when the engineer comes, listen to it.
Speaker C:He won't listening to it going, oh, saying, help me.
Speaker C:We're not about to do this.
Speaker A:Nah, nah.
Speaker A:This shit's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's unhear.
Speaker A:You can't unhear it, man.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's so.
Speaker C:So like, look, man.
Speaker C:Sometime some like, look.
Speaker C:And R. Kelly start calling himself the pie piper of R B.
Speaker C:And we just let that slide.
Speaker C:There's been a lot of time where our brother and ag literally, on songs, tell us they got a problem, and we as a community don't rally around them to be like, bro, we can't do this.
Speaker A:We calls up the pie piper.
Speaker A:We were just like, that's cool.
Speaker A:You can go ahead and call yourself the pot.
Speaker A:The story, the piper is where he led the mice out the building.
Speaker A:He is la.
Speaker A:He is.
Speaker A:He is leading little girls to his house.
Speaker A:What are we talking about?
Speaker C:And literally, R. Kelly was giving us breadcrumbs his entire career.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:That's the thing that is painful.
Speaker C:Like, we were literally willfully ignorant to it our entire career.
Speaker C:He writes a song.
Speaker C:AJ Ain't nothing but a number, and we just like, oh, that's cute.
Speaker B:Is that what we did?
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker C:That's cute.
Speaker C:And then we heard the rumors that him and Aaliyah were married and she was only 16.
Speaker C:We was like, hey, that's kind of weird, but I'm sure that ain't really true.
Speaker C:Or, you know, maybe there's some extending word circumstances that we just don't.
Speaker C:You know what?
Speaker C:It ain't none of our business.
Speaker A:But you know what?
Speaker A:Here's the thing, though.
Speaker A:Everybody thinks that started with that.
Speaker A:If you go back to their first track, she's got that vibe.
Speaker A:He says, Aaliyah's got it.
Speaker A:I was like, what?
Speaker A:And as you hear, three years later, bruh.
Speaker A:Bruh.
Speaker A:That chick's like 12.
Speaker C:He started off writing Summer Bunnies.
Speaker C:We know what that song's about.
Speaker C:Summer.
Speaker A:But, like, yo, some of Bunnies drive me crazy.
Speaker C:Well played.
Speaker C:I don't see nothing wrong.
Speaker C:Like, all of these was, like, breadcrumbs.
Speaker C:It's like every time, he was just like, maybe if I may.
Speaker C:They didn't hear me the last time.
Speaker C:Maybe if I just.
Speaker B:But he wanted some help, though, right?
Speaker C:Just asking for help with every track.
Speaker C:Asking for help.
Speaker A:I mean, I think it's.
Speaker A:I think it's a little weird, man.
Speaker A:He comes out with a track.
Speaker A:Ain't nothing wrong with a little bump and grind.
Speaker A:And Aaliyah comes out with a track.
Speaker A:AJ number.
Speaker A:The number right after let's Put shit together.
Speaker A:I'm mean, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker A:Rest in peace.
Speaker A:But I'm just saying, yeah, man.
Speaker A:Yeah, that.
Speaker A:So if there.
Speaker A:If there's anything, I'm boycotting, I am boycotting Kanye West.
Speaker A:I can't do it.
Speaker A:I just can't do.
Speaker A:Once again, after.
Speaker A:After ak, Man, I can't do it.
Speaker A:I just can't.
Speaker A:I can't.
Speaker A:I can't make myself.
Speaker A:So he could come out with a banger tomorrow.
Speaker C:No, I mean, I'm.
Speaker C:I'm sure to do.
Speaker C:He's still super talented.
Speaker C:He still.
Speaker C:I. I know he probably can still rap.
Speaker C:I don't really listen to him anymore to know I know he can produce like I know he can.
Speaker C:I'm just not necessarily here for it.
Speaker C:Like, I quit on him.
Speaker A:I will say with you, Reuben, I. I have also so quick, I'll say this.
Speaker A:He can produce and never say a word.
Speaker A:I'll be good.
Speaker A:The time I hear his voice click,.
Speaker C:I see you ask him to do too much.
Speaker C:Now, if you ask him to produce and not say anything like.
Speaker C:Because what's got him famous is talking is rapping.
Speaker C:So it's.
Speaker C:It's hard to ask somebody who's been successful doing this their whole career that didn't say, hey, don't do that no more.
Speaker A:Somebody needs you.
Speaker C:Because who big enough to.
Speaker A:Hey, man, Chick Fil?
Speaker A:A closed on Sunday, ain't it.
Speaker C:You can say it, ain't it.
Speaker C:He sold a half a million.
Speaker C:Look, man, Half a million for an album that makes most people feel nothing.
Speaker A:And here's the thing, man.
Speaker B:I love what he said.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:And this is why I would say to that, as what I always say, man.
Speaker A:I mean, you know, it's a musical void, Ruben.
Speaker C:You literally listen to it and you don't know what happened to that time.
Speaker C:You just know it's over.
Speaker B:I mean, it's over.
Speaker A:Look that, that look.
Speaker C:You got out.
Speaker C:You got an hour of your life that you never want to get back, and you don't want to feel anything during it.
Speaker C:He got the perfect album for you.
Speaker A:The one thing I can't do is fix stupid.
Speaker A:You know, I can't, can't.
Speaker A:Like, if there's.
Speaker A:If I had any power in this world, I don't want to fly.
Speaker A:I don't want to teleport.
Speaker A:I don't want to remode.
Speaker A:I just want to fix stupid.
Speaker A:Like.
Speaker A:And you know, natural selection is stupid.
Speaker A:Like, that's for them.
Speaker A:I'm not saying I'm not super intelligent or I'm not unintelligent on some things, but the one thing I'm not is stupid.
Speaker A:And hey, man, all I'm saying is Austin Mahomes sold 750, 000 albums records, man.
Speaker A:Go ahead and ask me who's also Mahomes.
Speaker A:Now.
Speaker B:Oh, okay.
Speaker A:Exactly, exactly, exactly.
Speaker A:That's all, that's all I'm saying.
Speaker A:The dude came out with one hit in the early 90s, sold 750, 000 records.
Speaker A:Nobody knows who he is.
Speaker C:I'm saying that you're talking about a one hit one.
Speaker C:Like, bro, this dude got albums.
Speaker C:He's got multiple albums.
Speaker C:And the worst selling one is the one where nobody feels anything.
Speaker C:And he still sold a half a million.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's something.
Speaker A:I mean, I'm pretty sure most of those were pre sales.
Speaker A:So shout out to Kanye on that.
Speaker A:He fooled a lot of people at the the beginning.
Speaker A:Because any real Kanye fan is like, man, that's some like, wait a minute.
Speaker B:You.
Speaker C:You can't speak for real Kanye.
Speaker C:Exactly.
Speaker C:As you've spoken to.
Speaker C:Say you're not one.
Speaker A:I'm not.
Speaker A:I used to be a Kanye fan, didn't that?
Speaker A:Because I remember I was.
Speaker A:I was actually kind of interested to hear it.
Speaker A:And I had Spot Spotify.
Speaker A:And I was like, you know, I'm listening this.
Speaker A:You know, it's raining buckets on this bridge.
Speaker A:I ain't moving.
Speaker A:Let's listen to this.
Speaker A:I can't get the 28 minutes back, man.
Speaker A:I just can't.
Speaker A:And I mean, hey, man, I died, went to heaven, came back.
Speaker A:God was like, not yet, bro.
Speaker A:And I was just like, yeah.
Speaker A:I'm just saying, man, man is.
Speaker A:I'm never gonna lose that that feeling, like, you said you had no feeling.
Speaker A:I did have a feeling of utter disappointment.
Speaker A:That was my feeling listening to that.
Speaker A:And I was thinking to myself, kanye, you know, better I could do.
Speaker A:The only track I couldn't be better than is that Ty dollar Sign track.
Speaker A:And that's because you had Todd downside on it.
Speaker A:But Jesus loved me, man.
Speaker A:Him, like, I might.
Speaker A:Yo, if I wasn't religious, I might have been like, mess with Jesus.
Speaker C:Oh, my God.
Speaker C:That is the greatest three sentence combination I think you've ever given Reuben.
Speaker C:What you, you.
Speaker C:You just said at that after you said him making an album about Jesus.
Speaker C:And then you said, if I was a religious person, like,.
Speaker B:You went all.
Speaker C:Over the place on that, man.
Speaker A:I'm just saying, man.
Speaker C:Just saying f that to gospel.
Speaker A:That's how I feel about it, man.
Speaker B:Literally.
Speaker C:You are literally doing the impossible.
Speaker C:You are the gospel artist getting booed at Showtime at the Apollo.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:That's almost unheard of.
Speaker A:If they had a played and everybody's like, why are you talking about Clothes on Sunday?
Speaker A:Listen to it.
Speaker A:And you would be like, yeah, Ruben Wright on that.
Speaker A:Like, that shit's horrible because it was all.
Speaker A:It wasn't even, like, good, but it.
Speaker C:Was okay, I promise you.
Speaker C:Somebody likes it.
Speaker A:Yeah, but it was okay, man, until the chick Fil A line.
Speaker A:And I was like, you know what you do?
Speaker A:Like, I can't with you, man.
Speaker A:I can't.
Speaker A:I just can't.
Speaker A:I remember being in the cars, just physically upset.
Speaker C:She's closed on Sundays.
Speaker C:That's.
Speaker C:That's a.
Speaker C:That's his chick Fil A.
Speaker A:Whatever, man.
Speaker A:That guy.
Speaker A:I can't do it.
Speaker A:I mean, there are very few things that get me completely pissed off and rattled.
Speaker A:Yeah, that.
Speaker A:That gospel album it WR Brown said took my daughter, her friend at Target last weekend.
Speaker A:I never go to Target.
Speaker B:Forgot there was a boycott.
Speaker A:It was empty.
Speaker A:And yes, white people were looking at us confused.
Speaker C:I mean, look, man, tell you, man, people.
Speaker C:People still don't know, man.
Speaker C:You know, I think I'm gonna start going to Target like once a week.
Speaker C:Not even buy anything.
Speaker C:I'm just gonna walk around, you know, just.
Speaker C:Just let them know we in here.
Speaker B:Wait a minute.
Speaker B:Just let us know we in here.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, let, let, Let them all.
Speaker C:Let them know all the money I ain't spending here.
Speaker B:You think you'll have some success?
Speaker C:Hell, no.
Speaker C:But it's going to be funny.
Speaker C:I'm just going to pitch it up, put it back, pict it up, put it back, go ask for some help.
Speaker C:Hey, do I got any of this in you?
Speaker A:Then they going to ask your ass to leave.
Speaker C:Have somebody go show me where it is.
Speaker C:And I be like, okay, thanks.
Speaker C:I just wanted to know if y' all had it.
Speaker C:And then le.
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Speaker A:Ag.
Speaker A:What's on your mind, man?
Speaker B:So all the women out there.
Speaker C:Jesus,.
Speaker B:Hear me out.
Speaker A:That's a loaded sentence right there.
Speaker B:Yeah, I hear what you're saying, but hear me out.
Speaker B:Dad.
Speaker B:Think that they're.
Speaker B:They're.
Speaker B:They're bigger than the game on Instagram or whatever.
Speaker B:And they're actually.
Speaker B:There's a portal to their only fans, but they actually think that they're bigger than the game.
Speaker B:You're not cute.
Speaker B:You're just naked.
Speaker B:I just want you to know that you are not cute.
Speaker B:You are naked.
Speaker B:That's what's on my mind.
Speaker C:That's fairly accurate.
Speaker A:I mean, I don't know how to feel about that.
Speaker B:How to feel any kind of way.
Speaker B:I just letting them.
Speaker B:Letting them know if you think you bigger than the game, put some clothes on and see how big you get.
Speaker B:Ah, you're not cute.
Speaker A:Now I get it.
Speaker B:You're not beautiful.
Speaker B:I've seen season women and it's just like.
Speaker B:Cuz it's everywhere.
Speaker B:You can't not see it.
Speaker B:And it's just like.
Speaker A:Can't not see what?
Speaker B:Women showing themselves.
Speaker B:Oh, it's like you're not cute.
Speaker B:Because I think some of these women actually think they're cute.
Speaker C:It don't matter how much you try to fix your IG algorithm, that shit's still there.
Speaker B:100.
Speaker C:Because your algorithm gets attached to whatever your friend's algorithm is attached to because I always get pictures.
Speaker C:And I can see right underneath all the people on my friends list that follow that.
Speaker C:I'm like, God damn it.
Speaker A:So why y' all gotta be that?
Speaker B:Anyway, that's what's on my mind.
Speaker A:Thank you, sir.
Speaker A:Mo B, what's on your mind?
Speaker C:You know what, man?
Speaker C:This weekend was the perfect balance of football for me.
Speaker C:I got to watch part of Georgia beat Alabama, listen to Alabama fans complain about how the refs cheat needed them, because anytime Alabama loses, it's got to be somebody else's fault, not their own.
Speaker C:And then I got to see the Raiders, you know, just suck against the Patriots and all of their backup defensive players.
Speaker C:And it was just like, yo, man, I've been telling.
Speaker C:You know, I knew it was coming.
Speaker C:I knew eventually we would see Kirk Cousins.
Speaker C:Like, I.
Speaker C:We hadn't been seeing Kirk Cousins the first couple weeks.
Speaker C:We've been seeing the person that Kirk Cousins pretends to be a lot.
Speaker C:And then I saw this dude run and scramble in a circle and go nowhere and then throw the ball at somebody's feet.
Speaker C:And I was just like, yep, I've seen that Kirk Cousins before.
Speaker C:That's the guy I thought we were signing.
Speaker C:Now, look, I'm happy that we still, for the most part, look like a well put together team.
Speaker C:Like, we look like we have are going in the right direction.
Speaker C:But last week, when y' all all.
Speaker C:Or a week before, when y' all like, hey, man, your Raiders doing good, blah, blah.
Speaker C:Why are you not happy?
Speaker C:It's like, it's not that I'm not happy.
Speaker C:I just know what time it is, you know, I really know what it is.
Speaker C:Like, I have proper expectations.
Speaker C:I don't have super bowl aspirations.
Speaker C:I'm not even really like, hey, we don't go to the playoffs.
Speaker C:I'm just like, yo, I just want us to look like we know what the fuck we're doing.
Speaker C:And for the most part, we do.
Speaker C:And I'm cool.
Speaker C:I got to see Georgia beat Alabama, the number one team in the country, which.
Speaker B:What's wrong with that?
Speaker C:Nothing's wrong with it.
Speaker C:There's absolutely nothing wrong with it.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But you like sucking your teeth, man.
Speaker C:Like, no, no, no, no.
Speaker C:Because it kind of has something to do with what we're talking about today.
Speaker C:Like, the boycott.
Speaker C:Like, as much.
Speaker C:As much as I love.
Speaker C:You know, I've been a fan of Georgia football for a time.
Speaker C:Long, long time.
Speaker C:But with the increasing, like, political climate of the south and all, like, it gets really hard to be a Black fan of a SEC team.
Speaker C:Because it's just like, at the end of the day, I'm just like, yeah, I can.
Speaker C:I can separate it, but I'm really, really doing a lot of gymnastics to separate.
Speaker C:Like, I remember going to the University of Georgia stadium and seeing thousands of white people cheer for these black people that they would never hang out with.
Speaker C:And I didn't feel anything about it then.
Speaker A:And they say, pastor Troy.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:And you know what I'm saying?
Speaker C:And saying, pastor Troy.
Speaker C:And we ready and all like.
Speaker C:Like, there was some thugs, and I'm just like, I know.
Speaker B:I'm sorry.
Speaker C:Like, they thugs, bro.
Speaker A:No, it's legit, bro.
Speaker C:Legit.
Speaker B:The way he said it was hilarious.
Speaker B:He said, like, they some thugs, cuz.
Speaker A:They be like, we ready, we.
Speaker A:I was like, what?
Speaker A:How do you move like that?
Speaker C:But, like, I know.
Speaker C:I'm like.
Speaker C:But at the core, I'm just like, if y' all saw any of these walking down the street and they didn't have a University of Georgia jersey on, y' all call the police.
Speaker C:And so, like, the only older I get, the more almost uncomfortable I get in my fandom.
Speaker C:But I still can't turn it off because I'm just like.
Speaker C:I just hate hearing, say, Roll Tide.
Speaker C:So, like.
Speaker B:But honestly, like, to drill down a little bit more, like, what's the difference?
Speaker C:Well, there absolutely is no difference.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:I just don't.
Speaker C:I just don't like hearing them say Roll Tide.
Speaker C:Me too.
Speaker A:I hate that.
Speaker C:Honestly, I don't even have anything against Alabama.
Speaker C:Like, I'm not even even.
Speaker C:Like, the rival person is like, oh, I hate Alabama.
Speaker C:It's just.
Speaker C:I hate hearing people go, rotate.
Speaker B:Hilarious.
Speaker A:I hate that, too.
Speaker A:What I hate even more, I hate it so much.
Speaker C:I hate even more is hearing a black person from some other part of the country say it.
Speaker C:I have.
Speaker C:They're like, three Alabama fans that.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:I know.
Speaker C:Three black Alabama fans.
Speaker C:And I'm just like, these ain't never even been in Alabama.
Speaker B:So they're not from the area.
Speaker C:Not from the area.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker C:And they'll be rolled, like, on Instagram, like, yo, put it on her page yesterday before the game.
Speaker C:Roll Tide.
Speaker C:I'm just like, come on, come on.
Speaker C:Hey, don't do this.
Speaker C:Like, stop it.
Speaker C:Right?
Speaker C:Just like, stop it, man.
Speaker A:It's embarrassing of people.
Speaker C:I mean, like.
Speaker C:And then I'm just like.
Speaker C:I'm like, what the does Roll Tide even mean?
Speaker C:Let me ask them.
Speaker C:Do they know what it mean?
Speaker C:No, they just rally and cry, man.
Speaker B:Roll Tide.
Speaker A:I mean, they got the.
Speaker A:They kind.
Speaker B:Hey man, look.
Speaker B:No, no look.
Speaker B:They kind of got the dopest rallying cry in college sports.
Speaker B:They kind of do.
Speaker B:Cuz it's ubiquitous.
Speaker B:I remember.
Speaker B:Anytime everybody, anytime anybody says Roll Tide, you know what they talking about you.
Speaker B:You have to.
Speaker C:I will, I will agree that you.
Speaker A:Know exactly what it is.
Speaker C:I will not agree with it being a great rally crowd.
Speaker A:You know what's worse than that though?
Speaker C:Oh man, nothing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yes, there is.
Speaker A:There is.
Speaker A:I lie to you not there's.
Speaker A:What's worse than that?
Speaker A:Alabama fan who's also a Cowboy fan.
Speaker B:Are there many of those?
Speaker C:I don't, I don't see.
Speaker C:I don't see any correlation or how that can make them any worse.
Speaker C:All that can't make them any worse.
Speaker A:Hey man, they doubled down, baby.
Speaker A:They double down on two sports that I don't really want to pay attention to.
Speaker C:Once again, I don't see how that can make them end them worse.
Speaker C:I agree.
Speaker C:Once you, once you say Roll Tide, I don't need to hear anything else from you.
Speaker A:Nah, man.
Speaker C:Whether you're a Cowboys fan is kind of irrelevant.
Speaker C:And actually if you're, if you're a Cowboys fan, at least, at least I say you quote unquote, root for America's team.
Speaker C:Like, don't know.
Speaker C:Don't nobody call Alabama America.
Speaker C:Like Alabama's not supposed to have a national fan base.
Speaker A:They're not.
Speaker C:I know, but they're not supposed to.
Speaker C:And then black people from other parts of the country like, yo, these didn't even want you at their goddamn school.
Speaker A:100.
Speaker C:Yeah, like bear Bright, Bear Bryant didn't have a on his team until USC and all these other schools that had black people started whooping they ass.
Speaker C:And then he was like, you know what?
Speaker C:We probably should get some of these Negroes.
Speaker B:First of all, I gotta correct you.
Speaker B:It wasn't starting.
Speaker B:It was just the one time.
Speaker A:You're right.
Speaker C:That one time in that bowl game, they whipped that ass and he was just like, nah, man, them niggers fast.
Speaker B:They came all the way from Los Angeles to do it too.
Speaker A:Hey man, there's nothing worse than looking at a car with a damn Alabama logo and a damn stupid ass cowboy star.
Speaker C:Hey, bro, man, look, I, I get, I get you just wanting to poison the water with your Cowboys thing, but what I'm telling you is if some, you can't kill a corpse.
Speaker C:So once you're an Alabama fan, like, you can't add to that.
Speaker B:Reuben, you.
Speaker C:You're trying to kill a corpse.
Speaker B:Man,.
Speaker A:Sometimes you got to bring back and then kill them again.
Speaker C:No, man, you can't do that.
Speaker B:That's.
Speaker C:Now you're the problem, cuz.
Speaker B:You're the problem.
Speaker A:I'll be that.
Speaker A:Then I be that.
Speaker C:Like, yo, once somebody says, roll Tide, I'm out.
Speaker C:I'm out.
Speaker A:Ro.
Speaker A:T, shut the up, man.
Speaker B:So funny.
Speaker B:What y' all do?
Speaker A:Look at it don't even matter.
Speaker C:Like, yo, it can.
Speaker C:It can be some random dude.
Speaker C:Dude with a Bronx New York accent.
Speaker C:And when he says roll tie, it always comes out Roll Tide.
Speaker A:Like, honestly, man, there are times when I feel like if a black person from.
Speaker A:Not from Alabama or anywhere close says that, can I have your black card?
Speaker A:Like, just on general principle, like, yeah,.
Speaker B:Man, but I'm telling you, I have heard there was a documentary about the game that Mo and I just ran referenced.
Speaker A:Oh, no, I remember that.
Speaker B:Well, what I'm saying is one of the.
Speaker B:They had interviewed some old players, and one kid, he was going to go somewhere else because like we said at the time, Alabama didn't have any black players.
Speaker B:And as soon as that changed, his dad told him where he was going to go and he was going to go to Alabama.
Speaker B:And I'm like, there are things that black people are not supposed to.
Speaker B:To share or participate, but it still means something to them.
Speaker B:Now, I. I'm not disagreeing with anything y' all saying because I feel the same way.
Speaker B:However, if you ask somebody, especially they from the state.
Speaker B:Roll Tide, man, it doesn't matter.
Speaker A:Hey, and.
Speaker A:But you know what?
Speaker A:That's the difference, man.
Speaker A:Man, like, if you from the state or you're from around there, like, I understand.
Speaker C:I'm kind of like, look, man, I'm.
Speaker C:I am not a Georgia fan.
Speaker C:On accident, I was in Savannah, Georgia, and it was opposite of Georgia Tech, so I kind of got stuck in the Georgia thing.
Speaker C:But like, other people, like, if you from Philadelphia, California, and you're going, really Tide, what.
Speaker C:What are we doing, bro?
Speaker C:Like, what are we doing, man?
Speaker C:Like, yo, if you from Philadelphia or.
Speaker C:Or New York or or Detroit or something, you want to be an Alabama fan, Be a Alabama fan.
Speaker A:I just need to know.
Speaker C:Don't say that roll tie.
Speaker C:Just leave that.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:That is reserved for a select few people.
Speaker C:So we.
Speaker C:Because I don't want to associate you with them.
Speaker C:Because when you say roll tight, you one of them.
Speaker C:Now you one of them.
Speaker C:Wants you to be one of them.
Speaker C:I don't want to be that judgmental person.
Speaker C:That makes you one of them.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker C:I Don't want you to be a.
Speaker C:Those people.
Speaker B:Those people or you people.
Speaker C:I don't want you to be that.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:But as soon as you come out your mouth and be like, bro, dad, I'm done.
Speaker C:I'm so sorry.
Speaker C:Doing, man,.
Speaker A:I. I'm with Movie on this one, man.
Speaker B:That arguing is just so fun.
Speaker C:And I don't get that mad about people's rallying crowd.
Speaker C:Like, look, man, Auburn is Georgia rival.
Speaker C:I know a couple Auburn fans and they'll say that War Eagle thing, which is confusing to me because the Auburn Tigers and they say War Eagle.
Speaker C:But you know what?
Speaker A:It.
Speaker C:You got it.
Speaker C:You want to say War Eagle, say War Eagle.
Speaker C:But when they say War Eagle, it does not make me feel the same visual hate as Roman T. I just don't feel it.
Speaker B:Like,.
Speaker A:N. Man, it's like, you want to like Nick Saban and hate the.
Speaker A:At the same time.
Speaker C:No, no, no, no.
Speaker C:I stop you right there.
Speaker C:I don't want to like Nick Saban.
Speaker C:I won't like Nick Saban.
Speaker A:Jesus.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker B:He just.
Speaker C:And then do a football coach.
Speaker C:He's a great football coach, but I won't like the man.
Speaker C:Well, I mean, he gets removed from college football the worse he gets.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah, because he doesn't have to.
Speaker B:He doesn't have to hide it anymore.
Speaker B:He's not recruiting black bodies anymore.
Speaker B:He can say what he wants.
Speaker B:Now.
Speaker B:He might make it hard for, you know, coaches to come after him for a while because they still have to recruit these black bodies.
Speaker B:But at the same time, it's like, bro, when you get to a certain age, a certain amount of money, and then you don't work there to no more.
Speaker B:Oh, you used to have a whole lot to say.
Speaker C:I don't even think Nick Sa.
Speaker C:Like, when we say Nick Saban recruiting the black people and like, it's.
Speaker C:I actually might be a minority here.
Speaker C:Like, I don't think.
Speaker C:I don't look at Nick Saban as,.
Speaker A:Like,.
Speaker C:White guy who.
Speaker C:Semi racist with the black people.
Speaker C:Like, no, I think Nick Saban has just always been a control freak.
Speaker C:And now he's just like, hey, players have control.
Speaker C:And I don't like that shit.
Speaker C:But, like.
Speaker C:Because the only person that's supposed to matter is me.
Speaker A:Like, completely why he left.
Speaker C:Yeah, so that's exactly why he left.
Speaker C:Well, no, that's the second reason he left.
Speaker C:The main reason he left was, oh, it's even now.
Speaker C:Everybody else can do this too.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker C:Because when he could just stockpile all the best players and make them sit but now he's just like, yo, I got saying, if you don't play me, I'mma leave.
Speaker C:I don't like that.
Speaker C:I'm out.
Speaker C:I ain't sign up for this.
Speaker C:I ain't signed up for these to have opinions.
Speaker B:Well, at least he left give me so many intros, sir.
Speaker C:I'm just saying, like, yo, Nick Saan, Coach K, all these.
Speaker C:All these old school coaches basically was just like, yo, man, I ain't here for to have opinions.
Speaker C:Like, bro, I don't like, don't.
Speaker C:Only person supposed to have the juice is me.
Speaker B:Can't prove otherwise.
Speaker C:Just saying hook them horns is annoying, but hook them horns is not,.
Speaker A:Bro.
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:It's just not.
Speaker B:But I mean,.
Speaker C:Nothing's that.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker C:It's pretty obnoxious, but it's not quite.
Speaker C:Not tied.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's not even close.
Speaker A:No, Tad.
Speaker A:I mean, I got friends who are Alabama fans, man.
Speaker A:I can't take it.
Speaker A:I can't.
Speaker A:I don't say nothing.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:I roll my eyes to myself and keep it pushing, man.
Speaker C:Cause look, man, so Georgia beat Alabama yesterday.
Speaker C:And the one thing.
Speaker C:Look thing.
Speaker C:It ain't a ton of Georgia fans like that be all on the Internet, that and doing stuff.
Speaker C:But like, you ain't really see a lot of posts about it.
Speaker C:But like, yo, Alabama beats, you know, St. Mary's School of the Blind, they be posting Roll Tide like.
Speaker C:Like they celebrate.
Speaker A:He is not wrong.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker B:I mean, is some of this.
Speaker B:Let me be honest now, is some of this vitriol y' all have about any.
Speaker B:Anything Alabama because they have.
Speaker B:Have won so much with the help of black bodies that they hate or just in general have won so much.
Speaker B:You just can't stand somebody win that much.
Speaker A:So I. I'll say this like I am a Hurricane Miami Hurricanes fan through and through, right?
Speaker A:It reminds me, like, I absolutely abhor Notre Dame without question.
Speaker A:Because they're both a bunch of crybaby, right?
Speaker A:And that's just straight up because, I mean, they be beating the.
Speaker A:Out of everybody.
Speaker A:You know, back in the day.
Speaker A:State may.
Speaker A:School for the blind, deaf and dumb.
Speaker A:Whatever, Whatever.
Speaker A:But if you look at the U part one, that some.
Speaker A:Some coach last game and they beat the.
Speaker A:Out of him and they were just like, he's.
Speaker A:They're running up the score.
Speaker A:They had that third string in there beating y' all at ass.
Speaker A:Like, what are we talking about here?
Speaker A:But that's Notre Dame, man.
Speaker A:Even last year they lost to Miami.
Speaker A:It was a good game at the End of the season Notre Dame was ranked higher than Miami.
Speaker A:And it's always sad eventually.
Speaker A:The committee has always said eventually head to head is going to come together.
Speaker A:Yahweh 12.
Speaker A:I mean y' all were 11 and we were 13 team.
Speaker A:And you mad that you didn't make it.
Speaker A:What oh Miami shouldn't make but they.
Speaker C:Beat y' all on the field.
Speaker A:Shut the up, man.
Speaker A:Bunch of crybaby, man.
Speaker A:And Notre Dame's always been like that, man.
Speaker A:They beat the out of state Mary school for the deaf, dumb and idiotic and then and, and just like Moby said, they'll sit there beat their chest.
Speaker A:We the right now they're number four three in the country.
Speaker A:Who have they beaten?
Speaker A:Crickets.
Speaker A:Yo man.
Speaker A:And honestly.
Speaker A:But Notre Dame brings it on itself, man.
Speaker A:I mean look, shout out to them for getting their own TV deal.
Speaker A:But it was.
Speaker C:You are awesome.
Speaker C:He asked you a question about Alabama and you was like.
Speaker C:But let me tell you about these other.
Speaker C:I don't like exactly.
Speaker B:Yeah, I thought he was going to make his way back back around to it.
Speaker A:I'm coming back.
Speaker A:I'm coming back.
Speaker A:But, but what I'm saying is yeah, they think they too good for everybody else.
Speaker A:At least Alabama's in a conference and at least Alabama plays people.
Speaker A:But yes, back to your question.
Speaker A:I mean honestly, they would know the name of the south for a very long time.
Speaker A:They used to beat up on St. Mary's Kids of the enabled unenable and, and like then I mean they beat that chance.
Speaker A:Moby and I have had discussions over years how they will play some poor FCS team on November 15th right before they got the biggest game of the career.
Speaker A:What people playing conference games in November and yo ass.
Speaker A:The whole SEC was playing FCS teams miss me with that.
Speaker A:So like yeah, when Alabama people get all upset, yo, they can get the double bird too.
Speaker A:Like to me they're basically Notre Dame of the south and them.
Speaker A:But yes, that is why the hate is there.
Speaker A:Because they bend getting the beat out of people.
Speaker A:They were beating the out of people.
Speaker A:But then when they lose by three points, it's the restful.
Speaker A:It's the weather.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:God didn't want you to win yesterday.
Speaker A:Like come on man.
Speaker A:Get a grip on yourselves.
Speaker A:Like get a.
Speaker A:Get a clue.
Speaker A:So yes, I, I said all that to say yeah, they.
Speaker A:They suck too.
Speaker A:Nobody cares.
Speaker A:Row Tide ass.
Speaker C:Yeah, I don't.
Speaker C:I don't.
Speaker C:I don't hate Alabama because they were successful and they were winning.
Speaker C:That, that.
Speaker C:Look I'm.
Speaker C:I've Rooted for losers most of my life.
Speaker C:So somebody else winning doesn't make me feel bad.
Speaker C:I hate obnoxious.
Speaker B:I hear that.
Speaker C:I hate obnoxious.
Speaker B:I hear you.
Speaker C:And it's the fan base I hate.
Speaker C:Like, it's.
Speaker C:Like I said, I don't have a problem with Alabama players.
Speaker C:I don't have a problem with Alabama.
Speaker C:It's.
Speaker C:It's the fan base.
Speaker C:Same thing like with the Cowboys fan base.
Speaker C:I hate the fan base.
Speaker C:Same thing about, like, the East Eagles fan base.
Speaker C:Real time Lakers fan base.
Speaker C:It's obnoxious.
Speaker C:I'm not a fan of obnoxious.
Speaker C:Like, I couldn't even root for a team if we were part of an obnoxious fan base.
Speaker C:Like, no fan base of a team that I root for is obnoxious.
Speaker C:I can't associate with it.
Speaker C:Like, we're losers.
Speaker C:We, like the Raiders, had a reputation of being.
Speaker C:Being like the bad boy.
Speaker C:Like, people fighting in the sands and stuff.
Speaker B:I can.
Speaker C:I can ride with that.
Speaker C:Like, hey, we ain't winning the game.
Speaker C:We're gonna win the fight.
Speaker C:I'm cool with that.
Speaker C:We have not.
Speaker C:We're not obnoxious.
Speaker C:When the Raiders are good, we don't be out there pounding our chest.
Speaker C:I mean, you do hear things like the nation, because we are the only official fan base nation, even though other people jock it.
Speaker C:But now you got to be dedicated to winning and losing in the nation.
Speaker B:And your team moving away, too.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:So, you know, we moved multiple times.
Speaker C:You know what I'm saying?
Speaker A:And you can spell.
Speaker A:You can spell the name of your team.
Speaker A:The Eagles can't.
Speaker C:True.
Speaker A:Because God knows everybody spells that wrong, especially when they're intoxicated.
Speaker C:I mean, like I said, I'm just.
Speaker C:I have no problem with Alabama.
Speaker C:Like, I don't even have, like, the rivalry part of me that hates them.
Speaker C:I just hate the obnoxious fan bases.
Speaker A:Like, Little dad, just the way you say that.
Speaker A:It's also,.
Speaker C:We gotta get rid of this coach because he lost two games in the sec.
Speaker A:And that's why.
Speaker A:And that's why I like Paul Fine Bomb so much.
Speaker C:Because here's the thing, man, I am joking on them in the way they say it.
Speaker C:Paul Fine Bond is literally insulting as SEC fans with the way he talks to them about them.
Speaker C:And I'm not insulting these people.
Speaker C:I just hate how obnoxious they are.
Speaker C:But hey, I ain't insulting them.
Speaker A:I mean, I would say, like, I hear you and that, and that's.
Speaker A:I mean, it's more entertainment than anything else, but the people that call in on the show.
Speaker A:I'm not trying to say people are calling a show as natural selection.
Speaker A:I'm just saying, grow, tie.
Speaker C:I hear what you're saying.
Speaker C:What I'm saying, like, the reason I don't ride with Paul's long bond is like.
Speaker C:Like, yeah, the Jerry Springer Show.
Speaker C:People chose to go on the show, but, like, Jerry Spring gave him a platform.
Speaker C:So if I'm gonna be.
Speaker C:I'm not gonna joke on the people for having a platform.
Speaker C:I'm gonna.
Speaker C:I'm gonna be like, hey, the platform is the problem, not the people.
Speaker A:Gotcha.
Speaker C:So Carl Farmbrand's the problem because he kind of creates it.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker C:He encourages those calls to call in.
Speaker A:Gotcha.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:You good?
Speaker C:Yeah, man.
Speaker A:I knew it was coming.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:So, I mean, yo, man, what's on my mind is very simple.
Speaker A:It is October 11th.
Speaker A:I mean, in about two weeks, this could be cold as out here.
Speaker A:So make sure that you ready, people.
Speaker A:I take my sweatshirt with me everywhere now, and it's 78 degrees.
Speaker A:It's kind of weird, not gonna lie.
Speaker C:But fall, man, fall in Virginia.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:I mean, it's gonna be 90 degrees in December, because that's how we do.
Speaker A:Because, hey, because global warming is not real.
Speaker A:That's.
Speaker A:You heard it here.
Speaker A:Never.
Speaker A:That ain't real.
Speaker A:Like, get the out of here with that.
Speaker A:But, nah, man.
Speaker A:Just make sure you're taking care of yourself.
Speaker A:I know a lot of people going through the.
Speaker A:The seasonal changes, man, that allergies are being like, roll, cod, roll, tie, buck of cowboy, and it just is going haywire.
Speaker A:Their shits are going to haywire, man.
Speaker A:I feel for you.
Speaker A:I take as much Zyrtec as you need to survive, because Lord knows every time I see people, man, what's going.
Speaker A:My allergies, man.
Speaker A:This change of.
Speaker A:This change of everything is messing me up.
Speaker A:Hey, man, I feel bad for you.
Speaker A:I can't say that I.
Speaker A:That I feel your pain, because I don't.
Speaker A:Sorry, but take that, Zerg tech.
Speaker A:Take whatever you got to take, man.
Speaker A:You know?
Speaker A:So there's that, but other than that.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Two weeks ago, October 1st.
Speaker A:Saw my first commercial on Walmart about Christmas.
Speaker A:Are you kidding me, man?
Speaker A:Let's get my toys for Christmas.
Speaker A:It's October.
Speaker A:It's October 1st.
Speaker A:Can we at least get the Halloween now?
Speaker A:Like, come on, man.
Speaker A:Every year just keep.
Speaker A:Just keeps moving back.
Speaker A:Next thing you know, it's gonna be Christmas in July.
Speaker A:Hey, get your Christmas gifts in July.
Speaker A:What?
Speaker A:That toy's not gonna be cool come Christmas.
Speaker A:But look, man, I know big companies are big companies.
Speaker A:Hell, I work for one.
Speaker A:But it's just like they limits, man.
Speaker A:And I. I feel like I get to a limit and Walmart says, hold my beer.
Speaker A:And then they just.
Speaker A:They don't just kill it, they smash it.
Speaker A:And I was just like, bro, that toy that y' all showing in your commercial right then and there ain't gonna be worth A in 15 to 20 days, much less Christmas.
Speaker A:So, yeah, man, Christmas is here.
Speaker A:Get your.
Speaker A:You know.
Speaker A:You know, Amazon did the same thing.
Speaker A:Hey, let's order Christmas gift.
Speaker A:We're two months away.
Speaker A:If we order Christmas gift now, what Amazon delivery is gonna do, they gonna be.
Speaker A:They don't have no deliveries for Christmas, man.
Speaker A:Come on, you messed up your own money.
Speaker A:But then again, people like me will be ordering on the.
Speaker A:Hopefully I'll get it tomorrow because I got Amazon prime and that says go come.
Speaker A: It might come tomorrow at: Speaker A:Mystery.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:Or make me pay $5 extra so I can get it in three hours.
Speaker A:Like what?
Speaker A:Okay, man, here's what it is.
Speaker A:I'm just saying it is the 11th of October, and I mean, I almost feel like we need to talk about.
Speaker A:About our Christmas song, man.
Speaker A:But I just.
Speaker A:I ain't doing it.
Speaker A:That's December.
Speaker A:That is the first show in December before we bring that up because I need to make sure everybody's in that spirit so they can listen to the Christmas song every year like we tell them to.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Oh, you don't know what it is.
Speaker A:You'll know soon enough.
Speaker A:Keep listening.
Speaker A:It's the greatest question.
Speaker A:Christmas song that you should never know.
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Speaker C:I don't give a piss about nothing.
Speaker B:But the top, baby.
Speaker B:Somebody said Alabama was finished but I.
Speaker C:Stopped by to tell somebody the tide still rolling.
Speaker A:Can I get a roll tide?
Speaker C:Roll time, roll time, roll time,.
Speaker A:Roll.
Speaker C:Through the storm and through the rain.
Speaker C:Where the champions play.
Speaker C:We put that crimson and white on every Saturday from the first kick off to the final whistle blows, Everybody in the stadium hollering.
Speaker C:I roll through the storm and through.
Speaker B:The rain.
Speaker C:Storming through the rain.
